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Post by debjorgo on Aug 7, 2014 18:11:58 GMT -5
I'm wondering if his label gets the same push on amazon as a major label would. I've been seeing Petty's album in my recommendations for about a month. It says it's because I bought Jack White, GOASTT, Oasis Definitely Maybe Deluxe Edition, and the two new Wings "Books". To continue this, I got a Beck recommendation because I bought Jack White, Arcade Fire, Broken Bells, Peter Gabriel and Lou Reed. I got a Black Keys recommendation because of the same bands. Artic Monkeys, same bands. I'll bet to get a NEW recommendation, you have to have bought the Beatles, Paul McCartney and maybe the Beach Boys.
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Post by mikev on Aug 8, 2014 14:00:02 GMT -5
I don't want to get into this debate, but two no. 1 Beatle singles, Get Back and Hello Goodbye are pretty mediocre when comparing to some of the solo hits. I like them both but acknowledge that there's not much happening there. I don't want to compare songs either. I just wanted to voice my opinion on this thread that The Whole is greater than the Parts. It just morphed into song comparisons, which I really don't want to get into too deeper as well. Get Back opens the LOVE show in Vegas, so it clearly is somebody's favorite. Giles Martin? Get Back clearly shows the magic of the Beatles. A basic two chord rock shuffle making it to no. 1. My band covers it and I love to perform it, but it is very basic.
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Post by mikev on Sept 6, 2014 0:10:04 GMT -5
now this is what its all about...
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Post by sayne on Sept 13, 2014 1:53:45 GMT -5
now this is what its all about... After seeing the whole thing, I thought Paul was pathetic. I remember Keith Richards chuckling when asked if the Beatles were bluesmen. At least he was right about Paul, I guess. I was hoping so much that there was going to be a video of Paul playing the blues with those guys. I got my wish, but Paul was a dud. ALL he did was strum A LOT, and sing a little. No good blues lead lines. It was almost like he was afraid or intimidated by these real bluesmen. Man, what Clapton or Keef would have done with these guys. I had always thought Paul could play the blues since Big Bill Broonzey was an influence, but it wasn't there. He missed a golden opp to do Three Legs.
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Post by mikev on Sept 13, 2014 8:58:32 GMT -5
now this is what its all about... After seeing the whole thing, I thought Paul was pathetic. I remember Keith Richards chuckling when asked if the Beatles were bluesmen. At least he was right about Paul, I guess. I was hoping so much that there was going to be a video of Paul playing the blues with those guys. I got my wish, but Paul was a dud. ALL he did was strum A LOT, and sing a little. No good blues lead lines. It was almost like he was afraid or intimidated by these real bluesmen. Man, what Clapton or Keef would have done with these guys. I had always thought Paul could play the blues since Big Bill Broonzey was an influence, but it wasn't there. He missed a golden opp to do Three Legs. Yeah, for a guy who penned and sang I'm Down, Got to Get You Into My Life, Oh Darling and Call Me Back Again, he was just "plastic soul" here. Still cool to see this session though.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 13, 2014 10:29:53 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the blues. Luckily Paul's part in this leaned more to rock and roll. Otherwise he just let the group here do their thing.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 17, 2014 19:14:55 GMT -5
After seeing the whole thing, I thought Paul was pathetic. I remember Keith Richards chuckling when asked if the Beatles were bluesmen. At least he was right about Paul, I guess. I was hoping so much that there was going to be a video of Paul playing the blues with those guys. I got my wish, but Paul was a dud. ALL he did was strum A LOT, and sing a little. No good blues lead lines. It was almost like he was afraid or intimidated by these real bluesmen. Man, what Clapton or Keef would have done with these guys. I had always thought Paul could play the blues since Big Bill Broonzey was an influence, but it wasn't there. He missed a golden opp to do Three Legs. Yeah, for a guy who penned and sang I'm Down, Got to Get You Into My Life, Oh Darling and Call Me Back Again, he was just "plastic soul" here. Still cool to see this session though. Based on the great blues influenced songs Paul wrote (you can add She's A Woman and Can't Buy Me Love and Why Don't We Do It In The Road? even Heart of the Country and its cool jazz chords and blues feel to name a few). BTW it was Paul doing that great guitar picking on the solo parts of Heart of the Country. Based on his orginality Paul is the greatest bluesman in that bunch. Even including Keith Richard. Really what great blues numbers has he written? He may be good at emulating the blues, but Paul is an original.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 17, 2014 19:17:28 GMT -5
Paul has forgotten more about the blues than the average musician ever knew.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 18, 2014 9:35:48 GMT -5
Paul has forgotten more about the blues than the average musician ever knew. Just a suggestion here, RTP ... I think you would be much more creditable if you picked and chose which McCartney things you approved of, and which you did not. When it's already understood that you're going to "high five" every move Paul ever has made or continues to make, it sort of weakens your case.
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Post by mikev on Sept 18, 2014 9:45:32 GMT -5
Paul has forgotten more about the blues than the average musician ever knew. Just a suggestion here, RTP ... I think you would be much more creditable if you picked and chose which McCartney things you approved of, and which you did not. When it's already understood that you're going to "high five" every move Paul ever has made or continues to make, it sort of weakens your case. As a later in life fan of blues music, I find in general all three guitar playing Beatles lacking a bit in pure blues skills. George's For You Blue and John's Yer Blues have elements, but all of the Beatles' released blues products fall short of other British bluesmen like John Mayall, early Fleetwood Mac, early Stones, early Who and the Yardbirds. Some BBC material however, catches the glory pretty well, so I think what RTP said applies. By 1965, they forgot more than the average person knows.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 18, 2014 14:32:37 GMT -5
I was never a blues fan, which is just as well because the Beatles were fairly crap at it. Paul has virtually no blues cops at all.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 18, 2014 17:41:16 GMT -5
Paul has forgotten more about the blues than the average musician ever knew. Thank God! The Beatles were not influenced by the Blues. They were influenced by Dance Hall, Pop, Motown/Rhythm & Blues and Rock and Roll. Certainly much of this was influenced by blues, but taken to the next level. The Beatles had so much originality, talking about influences is a moot point. The trouble with the serious blues players is they only hear the blues and it is very limiting in the music.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 18, 2014 19:24:44 GMT -5
I was never a blues fan, which is just as well because the Beatles were fairly crap at it. Paul has virtually no blues cops at all. I beg ta diffa. Take a look at the this video and tell me he has no blues chops. Originally I was talking about writing great blues, but Paul has shown a good deal of muscle and chops at times. This is an extended live version of Matchbox and don't forget his guitar fills on Abbey Road among other times. When I see this,it makes me think, with his great musical abiltiy and head for music, that he could have given Hendirx and Clapton a run for their money. He just decided he didn't want to go in that direction. Personally, I wish he would have put more muscle like this in more of his recordings. Go Paul. JoeK, maybe I wasn't so terribly off on this point.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 19, 2014 3:14:05 GMT -5
I didn't say he wasn't a hell of a musician, that he couldn't play lead, or that he couldn't do rockabilly.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 19, 2014 5:45:19 GMT -5
I beg ta diffa. Take a look at the this video and tell me he has no blues chops. Originally I was talking about writing great blues, but Paul has shown a good deal of muscle and chops at times. This is an extended live version of Matchbox and don't forget his guitar fills on Abbey Road among other times. When I see this,it makes me think, with his great musical abiltiy and head for music, that he could have given Hendirx and Clapton a run for their money. He just decided he didn't want to go in that direction. Personally, I wish he would have put more muscle like this in more of his recordings. Go Paul. JoeK, maybe I wasn't so terribly off on this point. I don't think I was off on my point either, though: that it is always a "done deal" that you are always going to approve of everything and anything Paul does even before he does it, and you will never criticize his work or say any of it is bad, or at least "not his forte". Sorry, RTP, you're a good guy but it gets so predictable. So Paul could have been just as good as Hendrix or Clapton, too? Oy . I am willing to bet you like the new collaboration results with Kanye West -- even before you've heard them.
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Post by mikev on Sept 19, 2014 7:55:00 GMT -5
I was never a blues fan, which is just as well because the Beatles were fairly crap at it. Paul has virtually no blues cops at all. I beg ta diffa. Take a look at the this video and tell me he has no blues chops. Originally I was talking about writing great blues, but Paul has shown a good deal of muscle and chops at times. This is an extended live version of Matchbox and don't forget his guitar fills on Abbey Road among other times. When I see this,it makes me think, with his great musical abiltiy and head for music, that he could have given Hendirx and Clapton a run for their money. He just decided he didn't want to go in that direction. Personally, I wish he would have put more muscle like this in more of his recordings. Go Paul. JoeK, maybe I wasn't so terribly off on this point. Look, we all know Paul has put some fantastic guitar chops down in the studio over the years, but honestly- live and improvising- those chops are scale based average licks. I know- because that is the limit of my ability. I can see what he can and can't do. I can't do that stuff either- so that is how I know. Basically, he can't shred and he can't improvise. Sean is even better live with an axe. Probably the same goes on bass. I don't think he can do slap bass. He's brilliant within his mode, but not necessarilty a virtuoso. At this point in his career he doesn't have to be. He would create a big thud if he now attempted to do a jazz, blues or prog rock LP (Kisses from the butt- he didn't play instruments-so I don't mean as a singer, but as a musician). Country- he could pull off no problem. he can pick a pretty good acoustic guitar. That being said, if he actually followed through with a collaboration with Hendix and Miles Davis in 1970 as was rumored, he could have focused on those modes and probably would have performed at a higher level, but I guess we'll never really know. sayne, feel free to weigh in.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 19, 2014 8:20:49 GMT -5
I was going to say something similar. He is undoubtedly skilled as a multi-instrumentalist, but he is primarly a technician - he is able to play in many styles, but you don't often see him losing himself in a particular style of playing. And blues, it seems to be, isn't so much about technical virtuosity as about letting your feelings out in what you are playing.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 19, 2014 18:01:21 GMT -5
I was going to say something similar. He is undoubtedly skilled as a multi-instrumentalist, but he is primarly a technician - he is able to play in many styles, but you don't often see him losing himself in a particular style of playing. And blues, it seems to be, isn't so much about technical virtuosity as about letting your feelings out in what you are playing.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 20, 2014 7:55:25 GMT -5
Yes indeed - there was some real feeling there. Not the blues, though.
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Post by mikev on Sept 22, 2014 7:10:59 GMT -5
I was going to say something similar. He is undoubtedly skilled as a multi-instrumentalist, but he is primarly a technician - he is able to play in many styles, but you don't often see him losing himself in a particular style of playing. And blues, it seems to be, isn't so much about technical virtuosity as about letting your feelings out in what you are playing. Um...that sure doesn't look like Paul playing the jazzy stand up bass.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 22, 2014 10:00:10 GMT -5
"You're blues John, yer blues John!"
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 30, 2014 7:17:50 GMT -5
Yesterday I found Paul's NEW (DELUXE EDITION) CD SET at Best Buy -- they had only one copy left (don't know how many they'd initially had, and I don't know when the release date actually was!). With tax it cost $39.(something) . I went through the entire thing last night, and with mixed opinions. First, I think every single one of these bonus song tracks is beneath what actually appeared on the original album. I could easily do without any of them, with the possible exception of the bluesy "Get Me Out Of Here" (which I'd already known from being on the old extended CD). Here is my personal ranking of the bonus tracks, in order of preference: Get Me Out Of Here Scared* Demon's Dance Struggle Hell To Pay Turned Out (*NOTE: I have just realized that "Scared" is not listed on the package, but it is included) There are also four live concert tracks, which I think are pretty good: Save Us New Queenie Eye Everybody Out There While I was generally unimpressed with the audio bonuses here, I was thrilled with the DVD film supplements, since I am a completest when it comes to trying to track down everything on film or video of The Beatles from 1962-2014. The highlight of this set for me is a "making of the New album" film called SOMETHING NEW, which lasts a long time (maybe an hour?)... I really love this documentary, and there is a lot of fun stuff and information on it. For me, this one film caused me to do a big sigh of relief about the price I paid, and this made it worthwhile. There are the videos included here for "Queenie Eye", "Early Days", "Save Us", and "Appreciate" (by the way, I am starting to think "Appreciate" is okay now, though it's not my favorite track... but the video helped me "appreciate" it a little more). There are "making of" featurettes for three of the four videos, and I found the ones for "Queenie Eye" and "Early Days" quite intriguing. I still don't know why Johnny Depp hangs all over Paul everywhere Macca goes, but there is some joking between Depp and Paul regarding that. One thing that kind of burst my bubble was when Paul explains that the middle eight for "Early Days" that I like so much (the line about "sweet memories" and "inspiration" actually were suggested by someone else! )... I was concerned going in about the promotional tour stuff included here, like Paul's mini-concerts in Times Square, iHeart Radio, and in England, and on Graham Norton, on Jimmy Kimmel (etc)... because I had already spent money getting pirate DVD-R's of the full shows and performances here. HOWEVER, I was pleased to see that the material contained here is different, and has some backstage and behind the scenes stuff... so basically, it's all new to me, like a supplement to my bootleg DVDs of the actual show(s).
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 30, 2014 8:36:59 GMT -5
I'd think a person would be a little bummed out if they were expecting the actual shows for the bonuses. I dubbed them all off of TV but was still expecting the shows and was disappointed. Sure, give me the behind the scenes stuff but the performances too. I'm not sure I have the Times Square footage. Was it televised? I saw it but it seems like it might have been the internet.
Nothing impressed me of the extra tracks either. But I just sampled them. I'll listen to them fully when they come up in rotation in the car.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 30, 2014 9:03:05 GMT -5
I'd think a person would be a little bummed out if they were expecting the actual shows for the bonuses. I dubbed them all off of TV but was still expecting the shows and was disappointed. Sure, give me the behind the scenes stuff but the performances too. I'm not sure I have the Times Square footage. Was it televised? I saw it but it seems like it might have been the internet. Not sure if it was televised. but it's "Out There".
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Post by kc on Oct 30, 2014 17:22:20 GMT -5
I've got the physical Collector's Edition coming from Amazon, but bought the three new studio tracks from iTunes in the meantime to satisfy my curiosity. I generally agree with what Joe said about them not being better alternate choices for any of the standard edition tracks, but quite like the three all the same. They are all completely different from one another. Hell To Pay is my favourite, a fairly conventional hard rock number. Great guitar IMO. The main riff sounds familiar. I'm thinking it is very similar to that from Driver's Seat by Sniff 'N' The Tears, but I could be wrong.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 30, 2014 20:13:28 GMT -5
I'd think a person would be a little bummed out if they were expecting the actual shows for the bonuses. I dubbed them all off of TV but was still expecting the shows and was disappointed. Sure, give me the behind the scenes stuff but the performances too. I'm not sure I have the Times Square footage. Was it televised? I saw it but it seems like it might have been the internet. Not sure if it was televised. but it's "Out There". Paul, George and friends have taken all of my hard earned pay. There's not much left to go shopping with.
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Post by kc on Nov 4, 2014 18:31:15 GMT -5
I received my copy of the Collector's Edition yesterday. I still say Hell To Pay is excellent and will add it to my playlist of Paul's better post-Beatles rock songs. Is it about Heather?
I like the small hardcover book format used for this release. It is more or less the same as the previous Rockshow and Live Kisses From Capitol Studios DVD sets. As one who has not bought any of the Archive Series Deluxe Editions, I feel that if they had been presented in some sort of expanded version of this design I may have purchased them.
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