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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 11, 2014 11:16:58 GMT -5
1 has jumped from #84 to #74 but before we get too excited, there is a ton of retro stuff kicking Beatles butts:
1. Elton John: Rocket Man: Number Ones #68; 2. Fleetwood Mac: Rumours #59; 3. Bob Marley And The Wailers: Legend: The Best Of Bob Marley And The Wailers #50; 4. U2: The Joshua Tree: #47; 5. Red Hot Chili Peppers: Greatest Hits #41.
There may be more retro closer to #1 but I got depressed.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 11:20:34 GMT -5
1 has jumped from #84 to #74 but before we get too excited, there is a ton of retro stuff kicking Beatles butts: 1. Elton John: Rocket Man: Number Ones #68; 2. Fleetwood Mac: Rumours #59; 3. Bob Marley And The Wailers: Legend: The Best Of Bob Marley And The Wailers #50; 4. U2: The Joshua Tree: #47; 5. Red Hot Chili Peppers: Greatest Hits #41. There may be more retro closer to #1 but I got depressed. So this means what, exactly? Surely you don't believe that any of those artists are now more legendary or classic than The Beatles throughout The World? I admit it's hard to believe that "1" is below these on the charts .... but maybe it's because everyone has it already and "1" already made its huge chart positions and mega bucks...
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 11, 2014 12:42:02 GMT -5
I am not being controversial. I am just sad that the rest of the public didn't have fun with this anniversary like I and we here did. I like when The Beatles create a buzz in the non-Beatles world. It didn't happen this time.
The significance of those chart positions is that the Media tried to help The Beatles/Apple push this 50th Anniversary with television specials(CBS, CNN, all the entertainment shows), magazine covers and articles, and internet articles galore. There was a huge push by Apple with a little help from the Media yet boring old Elton John scores higher with retro hits with virtually zero publicity, same with Fleetwod Mac, what caused "Rumours" to skyrocket? Why is Bob Marley's greatest hits red hot? Has he been in the news as 1/100 as the Beatles in the last two months? And where did the "Joshua Tree" come from out of the blue? I think U2 has a new album coming but why did this oldie skyrocket while "Meet The Beatles," just re-issued bit the dust in this important Beatles anniversary?
The Red Hot Chili Peppers were on Super Bowl halftime so I understand their jump in the charts with a previously released greatest hits.
The Beatles/Apple made a huge concerted effort too sell product and "Yawn" was the collective response by the General Public. Meanwhile old Elton and old Fleetwood did very little and their oldies are outselling us!
It is not fair and tells me there may be Beatles burn-out with the masses. I am sad that's all. Nah, I am disgusted. The Beatles' 1 is behind Elton John's "Number Ones!?" A disgrace I say! We as fans must challenge this new status quo! We must put The Beatles back at the top of the charts!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 13:40:09 GMT -5
I am not being controversial. I am just sad that the rest of the public didn't have fun with this anniversary like I and we here did. I like when The Beatles create a buzz in the non-Beatles world. It didn't happen this time. But there are way more people out there than just those whom you know -- fair? Why should the general public give much of a care? The Beatles Community was in full force, though. You shoulda been at the NYC Fest! The CBS Special did big in the ratings. I wouldn't expect it to beat The Olympics, however.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 14:39:06 GMT -5
TV Ratings: Sochi Olympics Draw Big on Sunday, CBS' Beatles Special Strong in Second NBC’s Sochi Games earned gold on Sunday night, while CBS’ tribute to The Beatles took the silver in ratings and viewers.
NBC was first in ratings with a 6.9 rating/18 share in the advertiser-coveted 18-49 demographic, and first in viewers with an average of 25.4 million, according to preliminary numbers. The Winter Olympics was the network’s only primetime programming.
CBS was second in ratings with a 1.7/4 and in viewers with 11.6 million. At 7 p.m., “60 Minutes” got a 1.2/3 — down 40 percent from the last original to a season low — and 9.5 million viewers. At 8, “The Night that Changed America: Grammy Salute to the Beatles” earned a 2.1/5 and 14 million viewers.
Joe Karlosi Adds: (And you know That can't be bad!) So what's the problem, John S. Damm?
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 15:00:02 GMT -5
I am not being controversial. I am just sad that the rest of the public didn't have fun with this anniversary like I and we here did. I like when The Beatles create a buzz in the non-Beatles world. It didn't happen this time. The significance of those chart positions is that the Media tried to help The Beatles/Apple push this 50th Anniversary with television specials(CBS, CNN, all the entertainment shows), magazine covers and articles, and internet articles galore. There was a huge push by Apple with a little help from the Media yet boring old Elton John scores higher with retro hits with virtually zero publicity, same with Fleetwod Mac, what caused "Rumours" to skyrocket? Why is Bob Marley's greatest hits red hot? Has he been in the news as 1/100 as the Beatles in the last two months? And where did the "Joshua Tree" come from out of the blue? I think U2 has a new album coming but why did this oldie skyrocket while "Meet The Beatles," just re-issued bit the dust in this important Beatles anniversary? The Red Hot Chili Peppers were on Super Bowl halftime so I understand their jump in the charts with a previously released greatest hits. The Beatles/Apple made a huge concerted effort too sell product and "Yawn" was the collective response by the General Public. Meanwhile old Elton and old Fleetwood did very little and their oldies are outselling us! It is not fair and tells me there may be Beatles burn-out with the masses. I am sad that's all. Nah, I am disgusted. The Beatles' 1 is behind Elton John's "Number Ones!?" A disgrace I say! We as fans must challenge this new status quo! We must put The Beatles back at the top of the charts! The Beatles are not going back to the top of the charts. Most likely they never will. Between the Beatles 1 album and the Remasters, there is no need for "Joe Public" (the public that likes The Beatles) to continue to buy music they already own. The US Capitol collection is purely for collectors. Why would the public at large want those? As younger generations are exposed to their music, and their interest is perked up, they will purchase the Remastered albums or Beatles 1 either as CD's or more likely through ITunes. But the number of purchases will not be large enough to encourage the albums to move up the charts. They will be gradual numbers of sales, much like classical music is bought nowadays by new generations interested in that genre. The Beatles have passed into history, as a band and in their output. There is nothing else new left to sell, other than re-worked concert films, which will only be of interest to nerds like us. It's not Beatle burn-out. It's Beatles saturation. Everyone that wants them has them. Even Paul pointed that out in The "Making of LOVE" DVD. The Beatles Catalogue is now complete. I think that is why he wants to back off participating in Beatles tributes. You want to celebrate mileposts in their achievements, great. But they are never going to be "au currant" (as John once said) going forward. Our job as fans is to expose younger generations to the music, introduce them to it. The music still has the power to generate interest in new fans. Always will. Then they will go out and seek the catalogue on the own.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 15:10:30 GMT -5
Well, we are post-February 9 and in my survey of my local friends and co-workers, not one single person watched The Beatles CBS Special. My Rock fan law partner said Friday he was going to watch it on his new home theater system which is sweet but he forgot. Family-wise, my youngest stepson and his fiancé watched it with no prompting from me as I got some neat texts from them during the show. My oldest stepson watched it after my prompt, telling him it was on in two minutes. He and his wife watched some of it. My buddy Sly Rose watched it and texted me throughout but he doesn't count, he is a hardcore Beatles fan. AMC's The Walking Dead beat it in ratings Sunday night so zombies are more popular than aging beetles. From my neck of the woods, no new Beatlemania 2014 except with us already in the club. I will go look at Billboard to see if there were any gains on the charts. My conclusion was the only buzz was among us fans either by the CBS Special or those at NYC Beatlefest. The rest of America had the cold weather and zombies on their mind. Oh, I had a lot of my friends on Facebook, who are in the classical music business tune in to the CBS special last Sunday. And I mean dozens of friends. The Beatles are highly respected and admired by many in the classical world.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 15:13:25 GMT -5
The Beatles are not going back to the top of the charts. Most likely they never will. Mmmmm.... I wouldn't agree with that. I think it's possible, if it's the right collection and issued at the right time. For example, if a Volume 4 of ANTHOLOGY came out with real rarities and new things. Or a proper DVD of the promotional films... or a well-done "Beatles Live!" CD .
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Post by markc on Feb 11, 2014 15:48:22 GMT -5
Why can't they make a live cd of the Shea or Budokan shows? Maybe the problem is most live Beatles shows contained songs originally recorded up to 1965. The most popular songs are probably later period. If I were Mr. Apple, I'd put out a Live Red and Blue set to kind of track the Red and Blue Albums. You could include the David Frost Revolution and Hey Jude, the whole rooftop show, and maybe the live-in-studio tracks from Let It Be as sent in to Sullivan.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 16:00:15 GMT -5
Why can't they make a live cd of the Shea or Budokan shows? Maybe the problem is most live Beatles shows contained songs originally recorded up to 1965. The most popular songs are probably later period. If I were Mr. Apple, I'd put out a Live Red and Blue set to kind of track the Red and Blue Albums. You could include the David Frost Revolution and Hey Jude, the whole rooftop show, and maybe the live-in-studio tracks from Let It Be as sent in to Sullivan. They really need to do a proper SHEA CONCERT release on DVD. Really flesh it out, look for the best elements. The thing is, I'm not sure all of their performance exists with the proper audio (some of it was re-recorded vocally later in the studio, and "Act Naturally" utilizes the actual studio recording!). I don't know about a Budokan release, since they played pretty badly and out of key. As much fun as it is to see these shows on bootlegs, the performances are pretty lacking. The best idea I think is the DVD of promo films/performances. Represent all the songs from "1" as videos. I think we've heard that this is finally officially in the works?
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Post by markc on Feb 11, 2014 16:11:49 GMT -5
There was a good live You Can't Do That or something from that period on that CNN special. They could take the best performed songs from various concerts.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 11, 2014 16:16:52 GMT -5
Well, we are post-February 9 and in my survey of my local friends and co-workers, not one single person watched The Beatles CBS Special. My Rock fan law partner said Friday he was going to watch it on his new home theater system which is sweet but he forgot. Family-wise, my youngest stepson and his fiancé watched it with no prompting from me as I got some neat texts from them during the show. My oldest stepson watched it after my prompt, telling him it was on in two minutes. He and his wife watched some of it. My buddy Sly Rose watched it and texted me throughout but he doesn't count, he is a hardcore Beatles fan. AMC's The Walking Dead beat it in ratings Sunday night so zombies are more popular than aging beetles. From my neck of the woods, no new Beatlemania 2014 except with us already in the club. I will go look at Billboard to see if there were any gains on the charts. My conclusion was the only buzz was among us fans either by the CBS Special or those at NYC Beatlefest. The rest of America had the cold weather and zombies on their mind. Oh, I had a lot of my friends on Facebook, who are in the classical music business tune in to the CBS special last Sunday. And I mean dozens of friends. The Beatles are highly respected and admired by many in the classical world. Your music friends are cool, hip people! I expect them to dig The Beatles! I am being a cheerleader for The Beatles, not controversial. I want Joe Redneck Six-Pack to quit listening to Toby Keith or at least take a break and dig Beatles For Sale! I want William Urban Hip Hop Young Guy to temporarily forget Kanye or JayZ to take in the sophisticated sounds of Revolver. I want Suzy Teenybopper to forever forget the Biebs and scream to Meet The Beatles like her great, great grandmother did. Finally, I want lapsed Beatles fans, who left us on John's murder(heartbroken) or Paul going through his 1980's crisis leading up to Bradstreet or George using a synth on "Wake Up MY Love" or for buying Ringo The 4th or a half a dozen other solo Ringo albums, to come back into the fold and restore our Beatles Army to maximum strength! These lapsed folks haven't bought the remasters, they didn't even make it to 1. That's all I am screaming about. Wouldn't a Beatles album sitting at #1 on the BILLBOARD 200 be sublime! In America you have winners at #1, every one else are losers!
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 17:04:25 GMT -5
The Beatles are not going back to the top of the charts. Most likely they never will. Mmmmm.... I wouldn't agree with that. I think it's possible, if it's the right collection and issued at the right time. For example, if a Volume 4 of ANTHOLOGY came out with real rarities and new things. Or a proper DVD of the promotional films... or a well-done "Beatles Live!" CD . Is there really enough new stuff out there to merit another volume of Anthology? Even if a remastered Shea or Rooftop concert DVD came out, do you think it would top the charts? A video version of Beatles 1? I just can't seem to think of a project that would top the charts. The above mentioned itemsvwould sell well among rabid fans, but top the charts? I' ll believe it when I see it.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 17:05:50 GMT -5
Mmmmm.... I wouldn't agree with that. I think it's possible, if it's the right collection and issued at the right time. For example, if a Volume 4 of ANTHOLOGY came out with real rarities and new things. Or a proper DVD of the promotional films... or a well-done "Beatles Live!" CD . Is there really enough new stuff out there to merit another volume of Anthology? Even if a remastered Shea or Rooftop concert DVD came out, do you think it would top the charts? A video version of Beatles 1? I just can't seem to think of a project that would top the charts. The above mentioned items would sell well among rabid fans, but top the charts? I' ll believe it when I see it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 17:10:51 GMT -5
I just can't seem to think of a project that would top the charts. The above mentioned itemsvwould sell well among rabid fans, but top the charts? I' ll believe it when I see it. Well, the new BBC Vol. 2 went as high as #7, and that was without fanfare and not too much buzz. Also, consider that the top artists like Miley and Katy Perry were on the top charts at the same time (I think). There can always be more material for ANTHOLOGY 4... the amount of outtakes and things is far-reaching.
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Post by mikev on Feb 11, 2014 19:37:01 GMT -5
I just can't seem to think of a project that would top the charts. The above mentioned itemsvwould sell well among rabid fans, but top the charts? I' ll believe it when I see it. Well, the new BBC Vol. 2 went as high as #7, and that was without fanfare and not too much buzz. Also, consider that the top artists like Miley and Katy Perry were on the top charts at the same time (I think). There can always be more material for ANTHOLOGY 4... the amount of outtakes and things is far-reaching. Kinfauns if the same quality as Anthology could be No. 1, but they should also include Goodbye and Step Inside Love Decca has never been completely officially released. Hollywood Bowl on CD Japan, if decent audio exists, and DVD if a first generation print could be made. A decent alternative soundtrack to the release of Let it Be DVD Shea DVD and CD
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Post by mikev on Feb 11, 2014 19:40:22 GMT -5
5.1 Yellow Submarine Soundtrack style reworking of all multi-track LPs.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 20:07:49 GMT -5
Well, the new BBC Vol. 2 went as high as #7, and that was without fanfare and not too much buzz. Also, consider that the top artists like Miley and Katy Perry were on the top charts at the same time (I think). There can always be more material for ANTHOLOGY 4... the amount of outtakes and things is far-reaching. Kinfauns if the same quality as Anthology could be No. 1, but they should also include Goodbye and Step Inside Love Decca has never been completely officially released. Hollywood Bowl on CD Japan, if decent audio exists, and DVD if a first generation print could be made. A decent alternative soundtrack to the release of Let it Be DVD Shea DVD and CD Absolutely, I agree every one of those projects should be done. Getting one to top the charts is another thing. I wish and hope it will happen one day, but I'll have to see it to believe it. The Beatles will always be the gold standard in pop music. I think their record of the 5 top singles and 2 top albums simultaneously in 1964 is a record that will stand forever. As will their 27 (I think) Number #1's in America. They should be untouchable like Joe DiMaggio's 56-Game hitting streak. But trying to get a #1 more than 45 years after they broke up becomes harder and harder as even more years pass.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 20:43:45 GMT -5
But trying to get a #1 more than 45 years after they broke up becomes harder and harder as even more years pass. You never know, really. Take something like 1994 and the first LIVE AT THE BBC album... it only went to #3. Was this because the Beatles were past their prime? But then in 2000, the "1" album made it to #1 !!?? How did that happen?? Didn't all the young and old fans already have the "hits"? But yet, "1" became #1 . And the first BBC album -- which was all-new material ... only made it to #3, six years before. I'm not just trying to be contrary for the sake of it... I honestly think the right product released at the right time can reach #1 .We'll just have to wait and see!
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 11, 2014 21:05:35 GMT -5
Let's not forget that 1 had the commercials with the videos of all the songs. When the release was talked up to a focus group, there was little interest. When they showed the advert with the videos, people got excited.
The market for short form video collections has yet to prove itself as a viable medium, but the Beatles always proved to be the exception.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 11, 2014 21:12:22 GMT -5
The market for short form video collections has yet to prove itself as a viable medium, but the Beatles always proved to be the exception. Wow, could you imagine showing very exciting TV ads for a "Video Compilation DVD" showing snippets of all The Beatles' promo films and songs? I think the sales would go through the roof with a very dedicated and oft-run TV commercial campaign. I really do.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 11, 2014 21:27:54 GMT -5
The market for short form video collections has yet to prove itself as a viable medium, but the Beatles always proved to be the exception. Wow, could you imagine showing very exciting TV ads for a "Video Compilation DVD" showing snippets of all The Beatles' promo films and songs? I think the sales would go through the roof with a very dedicated and oft-run TV commercial campaign. I really do. God willing, the creek don't rise and Miley doesn't release a new album....
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 11, 2014 22:01:38 GMT -5
But trying to get a #1 more than 45 years after they broke up becomes harder and harder as even more years pass. You never know, really. Take something like 1994 and the first LIVE AT THE BBC album... it only went to #3. Was this because the Beatles were past their prime? But then in 2000, the "1" album made it to #1 !!?? How did that happen?? Didn't all the young and old fans already have the "hits"? But yet, "1" became #1 . And the first BBC album -- which was all-new material ... only made it to #3, six years before. I'm not just trying to be contrary for the sake of it... I honestly think the right product released at the right time can reach #1 .We'll just have to wait and see! The 1 CD was a brilliant commercial move. Throwing all number ones on one album was just the right idea to entice the young generation of that time to buy one album with the best The Beatles had done commercially over their relatively short period in the limelight. And it was prior to the Remasters releases of the entire catalogue. In 2000, we still had the sonically less than spectacular CD compilation from the 1980' s as our options to the catalogue. The Remasters in 2009 took that catalogue to a whole new level sonically. With those and the #1 album out there, where do we go from there to top them?
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Post by sayne on Feb 11, 2014 22:40:53 GMT -5
All we have to keep saying is "Will there be a 50th Anniversary for the release or appearance by anyone from ABBA to ZZ Top? The Animals to Zappa? Aerosmith to Zevon?" I think not. It does not matter that the Beatles did not win the ratings. What matters is that they were on and they had a nice rating.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2014 0:07:12 GMT -5
It does not matter that the Beatles did not win the ratings. What matters is that they were on and they had a nice rating. Exactly. However, it appears the Olympics were the only thing holding The Beatles Show back from the #1 slot. Not bad at all.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2014 10:32:27 GMT -5
My ex-wife (who I still stay in touch with) sent me this email this morning:
>"I watched the Beatles special and it was really great! I enjoyed hearing other entertainers singing Beatle songs. I have to admit also that Paul and Ringo did a great job... It is so hard to believe that they are in their 70's the way they were dancing around." <
My experiences have been different from JSD's. My girlfriend now tells me so many of her young students at her college have told her they've seen and enjoyed the Beatles Special. I think this show was a rousing and popular success -- and they're going to re-air it tonight!
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 12, 2014 11:17:17 GMT -5
I speak from Indiana. Things may have been more exciting in NYC with Letterman all week (and the marquee), the Fest and the fact it was NYC where the lads first landed.
No Beatles Buzz 2014 here in Indiana except with us diehards but we are the choir.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2014 12:09:22 GMT -5
I speak from Indiana. Things may have been more exciting in NYC with Letterman all week (and the marquee), the Fest and the fact it was NYC where the lads first landed.. I wouldn't know -- I'm from Long Island! But don't you feel good knowing The Beatles had 14 million viewers, only seconded by The Olympics, and the show was so big that it will be re-aired tonight? Good, no?
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 12, 2014 13:09:30 GMT -5
I feel fine. I wish this enthusiasm would equate in strong album sales for The Beatles. It always comes back to the music and for some reason there is Elton Johnmania and Fleetwood Macmania but no Beatlemania on Billboard 200.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2014 15:44:36 GMT -5
I feel fine. I wish this enthusiasm would equate in strong album sales for The Beatles. It always comes back to the music and for some reason there is Elton Johnmania and Fleetwood Macmania but no Beatlemania on Billboard 200. Regardless of numbers placing currently on a Billboard chart, I just don't feel any vibe for Elton John nor Fleetwood Mac; I DO, however, sense some degree of mania for The Beatles.
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