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Post by markc on Sept 2, 2016 13:26:35 GMT -5
Thank you too for the sarcastic digs now you can all go to hell! Snookeroo is going to check back in and designate this thread as a railway collision.
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Post by kc on Sept 2, 2016 17:56:41 GMT -5
Suddenly there is only one week to go. Is that a Countdown start!? Just an observation. Nonetheless, it is only six days now! After all these years I still get excited about some of the new releases.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 2, 2016 18:31:31 GMT -5
I will see the film before making an official judgment, of course, but all I have heard from some people who have been privileged to see the movie already... it doesn't seem very promising. It's even harder to get a theater in your area that's showing the thing, because it's such a limited engagement.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 3, 2016 20:08:07 GMT -5
The disc is No. 2 in Music, No. 2 in Pop, No. 2 in Rock on amazon.com.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 3, 2016 20:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by markc on Sept 7, 2016 14:52:33 GMT -5
Review?
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Post by kc on Sept 8, 2016 22:31:53 GMT -5
I just got back from the record shop with my copy of the new album. As shown on Steve's post it's housed in a digipack similar to the other Beatles' releases since the 2009 remasters. I agree with other commentators on the net that the cover looks a bit of a mess. If they had simply left off the green type advertising the forthcoming movie it would have been better, IMO. Then again, I would have been happy if they had kept the original 1977 artwork. The rest of the new release's artwork looks OK to me. Two concert tickets, as on the 1977 cover, have been reproduced inside the gatefold, but strangely, they are of a different design to the originals. The enclosed booklet is attractive. It includes some nice photographs, a couple of contemporary newspaper clippings and an extended essay. One thing that I thought was a nice touch was that they included George Martin's notes from the 1977 set. You know, the ones where he relates that his daughter asked him whether the Beatles were as good as the Bay City Rollers!
Now I just have to find time to play this thing.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 9, 2016 18:32:22 GMT -5
The disc is No. 2 in Music, No. 2 in Pop, No. 2 in Rock on amazon.com. I guess this should had been on the thread about the Hollywood Bowl album. But the album is number 1 in all above categories now.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 14, 2016 21:09:52 GMT -5
Got my ticket for the premiere tomorrow night at a screening in Asbury Park,NJ. Seeing it again on Friday night as well. Wish I were seeing it at the London Premiere tomorrow night with Paul, Ringo, and Opie. Looking forward to going back in time for 90 minutes to the days when the band was playing live every summer in New York and I begged my parents to get me tickets and take me up to Shea Stadium. Alas it never happened. Parents didn't want all the aggrivation of schlepping me up there to a hot humid steamy night of thousands of screaming kids... Tickets cost only $4.50 a piece for the '65 Shea concert..... Oh well. Hope the cleaned up footage and sound of Shea in the film on a big screen can show me what it would have been like....
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 14, 2016 23:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 15, 2016 15:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 15, 2016 23:14:56 GMT -5
Saw the film tonite.
Super Kudos to Giles Martin. The remixed sound is just phenomenal. Especially the '64 Washington Concert (In Color too!!!), the brief Hollywood Bowl moments, and best of all the Shea footage both in the Howard film and the bonus 30 minute Shea Stadium Concert you see at the conclusion of the film. I am a musician and the music of the band is what The Beatles are all about for me and I was just astounded by what I heard musically both in the Washington and Shea footage. In both those concerts the Fabs were really focused and intent on making a good impression (Washington is their first ever US Concert in Feb. 1964, and Shea is their first stadium concert where in spite of the shitty PA system and the incessant screaming, as well as the heat and humidity of the evening, they still remained focused throughout every song). Tonite I sat next to a lady who told me she attended the '65 Shea Concert before the screening started. I asked her what it was like, and she said she could barely hear anything at all from the band because the screaming was so intense. She was seated in an upper deck behind home plate. Tonite after the screening was over she said to me; "Finally after 51 years I got to hear tonite what they really sounded like at Shea!" And they sounded fantastic now with the remixed sound putting the music well above the screaming. The band is incredibly tight rythmically, the singing is dead on and surprisingly in tune given they could barely hear each other. Shea was a damn good live performance by the band and it wasn't until now that one could really make that judgement call thanks to Giles and his team's work. Wonder what Paul and Ringo feel seeing the footage now with Giles' remix. I do have one remark though; The story goes that The Beatles returned to the studio in 1965 to overdub a lot of the Shea concert for the very reason that they felt it was not musically tight due to the screaming when they first saw the film footage. So they attempted to clean up the sound a bit in the studio so the concert would sound better when it came out on film. Did Giles use the overdub tapes to clean up the Shea concert or did he take just what was on the original footage shot that night? At a few moments in the film tonite, it appeared some of the overdubbed takes might have been used for Giles' 2016 remixing. Someone needs to ask him about that. Whatever was done, the new 2016 result is just fantastic. Shea is a masterpiece now of a live performance by them. Ditto on the Washington Concert as well. Sonically this concert really is tight and clean! Not so on the Tokyo '66 footage. There is just a little bit of Nowhere Man seen and heard, and no attempt was made to clean up the flat singing that permeated those concerts. I still believe jet lag had a lot to do with those performances sounding flat and out of tune harmonically. And by 1966, they were tired of touring as well.
My favorite humorous moment in the new film; during an interview the band was giving, George is standing behind John holding a lit cigarette in his hand. John is answering a question in the interview and George begins to flick ashes off his cigarette onto John's head! John realizes this, grabs the top of his head to brush the hot ashes off his hair and gives an incredulous look at George. John then proceeds to continue with his answer, and Paul sitting next to John has seen what has been transpiring and eggs George on to do it again and George proceeds to flick more lit ashes on John's head! The audience in the theatre was howling at this scene tonite! I had never seen that footage ever before. And I am surprised John did not stand up, turn around, and deck George for dropping hot cigarette ashes on his head! George had a lot of balls to do that to John....
A must see film for all Beatle fans. Going back tomorrow night to see it again. Love all the new fan footage mixed in among the official footage of many concerts we all already know and have seen before from Anthology and other film footage of the band. I really felt like I now know what it was like to be at a live Beatles concert!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 16, 2016 0:23:09 GMT -5
Why would they show that jet lagged 1966 performance in Tokyo when there exists a great 1966 version of Nowhere Man from Munich? I thought this was to show some of their best performances. Very disappointing to hear that. Also, did the film include their best performances of other songs like Baby's In Black, Yesterday from Blackpool in 1965 and Can't Buy Me Love and She's A Woman from the NME awards in 1964 or Ticket To Ride and I'm Down the following year? What did they show from Candlestick Park in 1966?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 16, 2016 5:28:30 GMT -5
Saw the film tonite. Tonite after the screening was over she said to me; "Finally after 51 years I got to hear tonite what they really sounded like at Shea!" Not if Giles used the re-recorded audio that The Beatles recreated later in the studio, she didn't! If that's how they sounded, then that is how they sounded. I believe the actual "live audio" should be preserved; not recreated.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 16, 2016 5:30:39 GMT -5
I found a theater that will be showing the film from Today until next Thursday. I hope to see it either Saturday or Sunday. Supposedly these screenings will also be showing the Shea concert at the end.
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Post by andyb on Sept 16, 2016 5:51:26 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing the film at the Liverpool Philharmonic on Tuesday.
From what I've read on the Hoffnung site they have used studio and other live performances to bolster the Shea soundtrack.
They used the original Act Naturally and I Feel Fine performances but not the Hel performance.. If you remember, they re-recorded IFF and Help, used the studio version of Act Naturally and overdubbed bass on most tracks and organ on I'm Down. Because the soundtrack was recorded onto mono tape machines the overdubs suggest that the bass and organ had either not been recorded or were too low in the mix.
For this new mix someone suggested they'd added the Hollywood Bowl performance of I Feel Fine (in parts) and they've added vocals from the record on Baby's in Black. They say you can now hear an acoustic guitar in the mix.
I'll see what I can make out when I see it.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 6:48:05 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing the film at the Liverpool Philharmonic on Tuesday. From what I've read on the Hoffnung site they have used studio and other live performances to bolster the Shea soundtrack. They used the original Act Naturally and I Feel Fine performances but not the Hel performance.. If you remember, they re-recorded IFF and Help, used the studio version of Act Naturally and overdubbed bass on most tracks and organ on I'm Down. Because the soundtrack was recorded onto mono tape machines the overdubs suggest that the bass and organ had either not been recorded or were too low in the mix. For this new mix someone suggested they'd added the Hollywood Bowl performance of I Feel Fine (in parts) and they've added vocals from the record on Baby's in Black. They say you can now hear an acoustic guitar in the mix. I'll see what I can make out when I see it. I will listen for the accoustic in Baby's in Black tonite when I see it again. But I must say the sound in the Washington Concert in 1964 in the film is spectacular and no overdubbing was ever done on that footage.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 6:59:44 GMT -5
I found a theater that will be showing the film from Today until next Thursday. I hope to see it either Saturday or Sunday. Supposedly these screenings will also be showing the Shea concert at the end. Joe, I believe the Shea film accompanies all the Ron Howard Documentary films now screening in theatres so you should see it. Before the Howard film starts there is a statement you see on the screen to remain in the theatre to see the Shea footage which will show after the Credits of the Documentary are seen.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 7:09:34 GMT -5
Why would they show that jet lagged 1966 performance in Tokyo when there exists a great 1966 version of Nowhere Man from Munich? I thought this was to show some of their best performances. Very disappointing to hear that. Also, did the film include their best performances of other songs like Baby's In Black, Yesterday from Blackpool in 1965 and Can't Buy Me Love and She's A Woman from the NME awards in 1964 or Ticket To Ride and I'm Down the following year? What did they show from Candlestick Park in 1966? There is footage of the NME awards with the sound remixed and cleaned up. Candlestick does not show any songs sung, just new footage of them coming and going to the stage sent in from a fan recently and never seen before that is interspersed with existing media footage we have seen before while the Fabs talk about how fed up they were with concerts and the horrific ride in the back of the armored truck they were thrown into in order to get out of Candlestick after the concert. They said there were no seats and they were tossed all over the back of the truck as it sped off the field and out of the park. A lot of cursing and anger occurred during that undignified exit they were subjected to. Tokyo was shown I believe to point out that by 1966, they were not playing well anymore in many of the concerts. Ringo and Paul discuss this while you see this footage.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 9:49:55 GMT -5
There is a freaky moment in the film when John is fooling around playing a melodica in the Plaza Hotel in NYC I believe in Feb. 1964 and I swear it sounded like a phrase from Strawberry Fields.
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Post by andyb on Sept 16, 2016 10:02:06 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to hear how they've improved the sound on the Washington concert. As far as I can tell there's a single microphone dangling from the ceiling above the stage recording the sound. That may have been mixed in with the sound from the vocal microphones. It's never sounded great sound quality wise but it has a nice balanced sound unlike some other concerts.
I don't know if the NME concerts were recorded to multitrack. As far as I know only Hollywood Bowl and the Rooftop were recorded to multitrack. All the other concerts were mixed live mono to picture, apart from Shea, which was recorded to a couple of mono tape machines running sync (or maybe not). They'll be remastering the sound as best they can and, I guess, in some instances adding audio from other concerts or the studio multitracks.
There's a good few concerts or live tv appearences where the mix isn't great -
Germany - very little John vocal and hardly any George guitar Australia - drums are low and the rhythm guitar is too loud.
Etc.
They can but do the best they can. Good to hear that Washington sounded great. That's a great concert.
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Post by andyb on Sept 16, 2016 10:03:37 GMT -5
There is a freaky moment in the film when John is fooling around playing a melodica in the Plaza Hotel in NYC I believe in Feb. 1964 and I swear it sounded like a phrase from Strawberry Fields. Did you never watch or buy the 1st US Tour DVD? It's the Maysles film.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 12:51:25 GMT -5
There is a freaky moment in the film when John is fooling around playing a melodica in the Plaza Hotel in NYC I believe in Feb. 1964 and I swear it sounded like a phrase from Strawberry Fields. Did you never watch or buy the 1st US Tour DVD? It's the Maysles film. Yes I have that but don't remember hearing on it what melody John was playing.
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Post by andyb on Sept 16, 2016 12:56:07 GMT -5
Did you never watch or buy the 1st US Tour DVD? It's the Maysles film. Yes I have that but don't remember hearing on it what melody John was playing. You need to re-watch it. There's been lots of various forums mention of it over the years.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 16, 2016 13:47:22 GMT -5
Did you never watch or buy the 1st US Tour DVD? It's the Maysles film. Yes I have that but don't remember hearing on it what melody John was playing. It is in that film but it is a fluke because it is well documented that Paul came up with the intro to SFF in 1966/67 after hearing John's acoustic demonstration of the song which did not include that intro. I think it is just two or three notes that by coincidence John hits.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 16, 2016 15:22:40 GMT -5
It is in that film but it is a fluke because it is well documented that Paul came up with the intro to SFF in 1966/67 after hearing John's acoustic demonstration of the song which did not include that intro. I think it is just two or three notes that by coincidence John hits. Of course, because revisionism has shown us by now that PAUL WAS THE BEATLES! I mean, the man did it ALL. And when he didn't write all of John's songs, he had at least a finger or two in every pie. It's amazing - and I am sure you don't even realize you do this - how in all sorts of threads Paul can do no wrong, and John can do no right. I just read you saying how "generous" Paul was with pricing PURE McCARTNEY, and then somewhere else you were saying how "Paul did Denny Laine a favor" with "Mull of Kintyre" and Denny's money problems. Great guy that Paul is, all the time.. every time.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2016 15:25:01 GMT -5
Yes I have that but don't remember hearing on it what melody John was playing. You need to re-watch it. There's been lots of various forums mention of it over the years. Maybe Giles even remastered that little toot so you can really hear it well now!
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 16, 2016 15:39:55 GMT -5
I am driving two hours one way to see the film tonight in Ft. Wayne Indiana! It is not even being shown in Indianapolis for crying out loud!
I am going to have to fight the urge to scream like a school girl when I see the restored Shea Stadium film after the feature film! And the first time I see contemporary Ringo on the screen being interviewed I might yell, "What's your name?!" I also hope the film's audio is crystal clear so I can understand Paul in his contemporary interviews as he now speaks in that hoarse, croaky voice!
I have to leave here now to go to Craig's List and find a date for the show!
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Post by andyb on Sept 16, 2016 16:28:12 GMT -5
You need to re-watch it. There's been lots of various forums mention of it over the years. Maybe Giles even remastered that little toot so you can really hear it well now! He probably did. It's a shame they didn't put a caption up saying "John playing about with an intro idea to a tune he's thinking about writing in the future".
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 16, 2016 17:16:18 GMT -5
Maybe Giles even remastered that little toot so you can really hear it well now! He probably did. It's a shame they didn't put a caption up saying "John playing about with an intro idea to a tune he's thinking about writing in the future". I little toot makes everything sound better! John probably heard Paul playing the intro and was trying play it himself. (Just beating RTP to the punch.)
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