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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 19, 2016 19:54:05 GMT -5
I always thought he was making fun of Jerry Lewis. George and Paul called it his spastic routine in the Anthology. People who are "physically challenged" today were known by that term in the 60's. It was intended to make fun of them and I don't think the other Fabs really appreciated the routine, but who ever told John what to do in those days. It's also been said by Paul that it was John's way of dealing with his nerves. I don't think the other three Beatles minded it at all, back in the day, but Paul and Ringo darn well should say that they do today ... if they know what's good for them. They could have told John to stop in those days... after all, it was a democratic thing where if even one of the members didn't like something, it was vetoed. John could be told what to do -- he apologized for his "Jesus remark".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 19, 2016 19:56:02 GMT -5
It just occurred to me that Jerry has his telethon for Jerry's Kids, children with Muscular Dystrophy. John showed up for it one year. . Good point, and thanks for the reminder. I must remember this again in the future when John is taken to task for this on-stage joking.
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Post by sayne on Sept 19, 2016 22:31:28 GMT -5
It opened in LA on Thursday like everywhere else, but I waited to see it on Sunday. Went to the 10:40 show - sold out before I got there. Couldn't go to the 1:00 pm show because it was already sold out, too. So, I bought tickets for 7:00. So, it's doing well in the Pasadena area.
For me, not much that I didn't already know, but there were some clips I'd never seen, like George putting his cigarette ashes on the head an unknowing John.
Knowing how George died, it was uncomfortable to me to see the footage of him smoking. It seemed like the film had him with a cigarette more than the others.
I also liked what Whoopi Goldberg and the other African-American woman said about their experiences about the Beatles.
I think I saw a continuity mistake in the Shea Stadium concert footage. I don't remember if it was A Hard Days Night or Can't Buy Me Love, but before the song begins you see George grab his hollow-body Rickenbacker. Somewhere in the middle of the song you see a quick glimpse of his guitar and it's a Gretsch. Then, you see him with the Rickenbacker again.
Although the movie did not tread new territory, I have to admit that I felt exhausted, not from watching the movie, but by reliving their hectic schedule. I felt the "never rest" whirlwind. Writing to recording to touring a country to filming to TV show to interview to writing to travelling to touring another country to more interviews to writing . . . With Brian and George Martin agreeing that the Beatles should have a single every 3 months and an album every 6 months, the pressure to crank out all the hits plus all the other obligations left even me breathless.
The film really isn't for us. It's for the casual fan and the post-Boomer generations. It's also for people who think the Beatles couldn't play live.
There was a quick comment by the young Paul who was commenting about where their songs come from. Based on the criticism many of us give him now, it was interesting to hear the young Paul say that sometimes John will write a whole song, but he'll take a credit for it.
Finally, I think Ringo shines.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 19, 2016 22:40:47 GMT -5
It opened in LA on Thursday like everywhere else, but I waited to see it on Sunday. Went to the 10:40 show - sold out before I got there. Couldn't go to the 1:00 pm show because it was already sold out, too. So, I bought tickets for 7:00. So, it's doing well in the Pasadena area. I should mention this too. In my area a theater woman grabbed a mic and made an announcement beforehand for everyone to please file out quickly after the show was finished, and to please take their popcorn bags and cups with them, because this show has been selling out and they needed to get the next audience(s) in fast. I've noted many fans saying that too (myself included), but when you think about it, what else is there to learn? You beat me to it! I meant to mention this bit. It's interesting that Paul said this even way back then. Without doubt. Many fans have said they were impressed at how Ringo bashes at those drums, and I think Ringo has gained some respect from it..
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Post by sayne on Sept 20, 2016 0:17:45 GMT -5
I've noted many fans saying that too (myself included), but when you think about it, what else is there to learn? I would have liked to hear about the groupies and seen more of the surly interviews like the one in Sweden(?) Also, the danger in the Phillipines and threats in Japan were alluded to, but I think the film could have done a much better job in presenting the anger and danger. No mention of someone trying to cut Ringo's hair at the British Embassy party following their first Washington, DC show? Where were the interviews with Dylan, Brian Wilson, Motown performers, etc? That would have been illuminating to the casual fan. Mick and Keith would have been cool. No mention of the Beatles meeting Elvis? Huh? I think the movie showed too much of the same footage we have all seen. They made such a big deal about seeking and finding film from regular people, but most of it was the standard footage - like the Beatle album burnings. Surely there was different footage than we've all seen. I did like seeing the sign at Kennedy when they first landed that said "England Out of Ireland." Never noticed it before. Whoever that person was certainly was opportunistic.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 20, 2016 6:08:59 GMT -5
I've noted many fans saying that too (myself included), but when you think about it, what else is there to learn? I would have liked to hear about the groupies and seen more of the surly interviews like the one in Sweden(?) Also, the danger in the Phillipines and threats in Japan were alluded to, but I think the film could have done a much better job in presenting the anger and danger. No mention of someone trying to cut Ringo's hair at the British Embassy party following their first Washington, DC show? Where were the interviews with Dylan, Brian Wilson, Motown performers, etc? That would have been illuminating to the casual fan. Mick and Keith would have been cool. No mention of the Beatles meeting Elvis? Huh? I think the movie showed too much of the same footage we have all seen. They made such a big deal about seeking and finding film from regular people, but most of it was the standard footage - like the Beatle album burnings. Surely there was different footage than we've all seen. . As a diehard Beatlemaniac myself with all sorts of rare bootlegged DVD footage from all over the world, even I was impressed by seeing a lot of footage in EIGHT DAYS A WEEK that I hadn't seen before. There was a lot of concert 8mm home movie footage from regular people that was used in the movie that had never been seen by fans in any other Beatles documentary (unless those fans are hardcore video bootleg collectors). And even in cases where they had to repeat footage from previous Beatles documentaries, I felt they'd gone out of their way to use different angles and all together fresh clips to separate from other movies (for example, in the Plaza hotel '64 there were different clips other than what we saw from THE FIRST U.S. VISIT). Not just the different footage, but also fresh new audio in the studio, different audio interview snippets with The Beatles from the same old ones, and even a load of unusual still photographs. So I really am baffled when fans say they haven't seen anything new in the documentary. If you were to have a marathon viewing of THE FIRST US VISIT, ANTHOLOGY, and IMAGINE JOHN LENNON (to name three) there would be differences between them and sources unique to this or that presentation. It felt to me as if Ron Howard and his team scanned all other existing official documentaries about The Beatles and said "let's not repeat this, let's use a different angle or shot this time for that". I mean, even the 2 John Lennon 1970s interviews with Lennon talking were different from what they usually use (not Tom Snyder, not Old Grey Whistle Test, not Mike Douglas, ,all as per usual)-- and neither of these new John talks were used even in the extensive IMAGINE JOHN LENNON doc!). The first time we see 1970s John talking, I had no idea where it was from.. and the other session was from a rare French TV interview, I believe. What also is confusing here is that on the one hand you're complaining about "seeing standard footage of things like the Beatle album burnings", but I'm sure you would have asked "hey, where were the Beatle album burnings??" if this particular area had not been addressed... just as you wonder where the meeting with Elvis Presley story went (another story we have heard a zillion times - even in ANTHOLOGY!) . And if they had included the same old tired story of how Ringo lost a clump of his hair in the fan frenzy, you would have said "-- but I already knew this hair story with Ringo ... how about something new to discover!" So it's sort of a lose/lose situation with the filmmakers and the fans, I think. It's "but I knew about this already!" at one moment, and then "hey, where was that story that I already knew about but should have been in the film?". Regarding the groupies, what is there to say? That too is something the Beatles have previously discussed, and never at any length (except possibly Ringo on the Howard Stern show in 1998) . Don't expect to hear Sir Paul dishing the dirt with a kiss and tell scoop about how many teenies he might have bedded, in a family friendly documentary like this! I will concede I would have thought a quick mention of meeting Elvis would have been in order just for the touring record (again), and that the story by Ringo of his losing a clump of hair was required here for posterity. I will vehemently agree that the danger and fear of the Phillipines would have been important to elaborate on in a doc film such as this one. I did think that aspect here was oddly skimpy. So many fans are saying "This film feels like Anthology-Lite", but then again they want more same footage that was already shown in ANTHOLOGY, all the while saying "but we've seen all this already!". I have heard fans asking where the footage is with John saying "You'll be treated like ordinary passenger! Ordinary passenger!"... but then they turn around and call this "Anthology".
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Post by mikev on Sept 20, 2016 6:52:10 GMT -5
I don't think that is acceptable. What if Jerry Lewis had been offended? It just occurred to me that Jerry has his telethon for Jerry's Kids, children with Muscular Dystrophy. John showed up for it one year. .
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 20, 2016 10:36:35 GMT -5
The film clip of George flicking ashes in John's hair was so outrageous that the audience I was in was first silent then exploded in laughter: we were stunned that George would have the nerve to do that to John.
My favorite new clip in the film and a great Paul McCartney moment is when Paul and John walk out a door and are ambushed by a reporter who asks them if they are worried about the upcoming U.S. leg of the 1966 Tour because of John's Jesus quote and while John sounds a little defensive and perhaps unsure, Paul makes a great face like "F-you reporter" and very confidently says to the effect, "It will be fine."
Paul is a bad-ass there! He was that way in Chicago too at the press conference, kind of dismissive of the whole controversy. True, they weren't his words and John had the hot seat and the hot lights on him to explain and/or apologize but I really admire Paul's demeanor and confidence in that crisis.
Of course, in hindsight no apology or explanations were needed as John was right when his words were taken in the proper context but John felt terrible I think of putting the group at risk and Paul lets John have his say to the press but it is clear Paul thinks the outrage to the remarks is all B.S. Great moment Macca!
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 20, 2016 10:54:15 GMT -5
John's spastic stamps were way before his appearance on Lewis' telethon. He would have known Lewis through movies, but not for the telethon.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 20, 2016 17:39:12 GMT -5
John's spastic stamps were way before his appearance on Lewis' telethon. He would have known Lewis through movies, but not for the telethon. Right, Jerry was spastic in the '40s, way before John ever thought of acting stupid on stage.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 20, 2016 18:02:33 GMT -5
The Fab4Free4All guys interviewed Nigel Sinclair, the film's producer. He had many interesting things to say in background about the film and talked about the DVD release which he said will have a lot of good bonus material. I believe he said it will have more of the music, perhaps longer cuts or complete clips of the songs, though perhaps not every song in the film. This is among several other bonus features. Here is the link. I hope it is ok to copy it here. www.fab4free4all.com/streaming-episodes.htmlThey also talk about an interview with Larry Kane on YouTube that they recently did. Here is the blurb from their site. Join Fab 4 Free 4 All for a talk with film producer (and major Beatles fan!) Nigel Sinclair. Mr.Sinclair's company White Horse Pictures is one of the producers of the Ron Howard documentary film 'The Beatles: Eight Days a Week - The Touring Years'. Nigel's other film credits include 'Sliding Doors', starring Gwyneth Paltrow; 'Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines', starring Arnold Schwarzenegger; 'Alan Parker’s The Life of David Gale', starring Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet; 'The Quiet American', starring Michael Caine; and 'The Wedding Planner', starring Jennifer Lopez and Matthew McConaughey. He also produced the highly-praised documentary 'Amazing Journey: The Story of the Who'. Mr. Sinclair also won an Emmy for his work on the George Harrison documentary 'Living in the Material World'. And visit the Fab 4 Free 4 All YouTube channel for our conversation with DJ Larry Kane, a Beatles confidante who plays a major role in the Ron Howard film.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 20, 2016 18:04:50 GMT -5
Here is the Fab4Free4All podcast with Larry Kane. I am just listening to it now.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 20, 2016 18:24:16 GMT -5
I really liked the film. I think it will be even greater for new fans and casual fans. Its a great way to introduce the Beatles to younger generations in a very interesting and well edited two hour movie.
I also wished it had longer song segments but Nigel Sinclair talks in some detail about that and how they tested different lengths of the musical segments and how they picked the middle ground which tested well with the audiences. So maybe they got it right.
As for my comment about the following exchange from an earlier post:
There was a quick comment by the young Paul who was commenting about where their songs come from. Based on the criticism many of us give him now, it was interesting to hear the young Paul say that sometimes John will write a whole song, but he'll take a credit for it.
You beat me to it! I meant to mention this bit. It's interesting that Paul said this even way back then.
There was some of that clip that was left off where John and Paul say that the opposite was true also--that is that Paul will come up with a full song and it will be listed as Lennon/McCartney. Of course we knew that was the case. I don't take out of it what you were possibly trying to say--that he was taking credit he did not deserve even then. Its not really what you can take from that because they worked that way with both John and Paul's songs. Unfortunately, the way that was edited gives the wrong impression.
By the way, the showing was sold out and that was the case with almost all the showings here in the Detroit area (Royal Oak Emagine Theatre).
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Post by mikev on Sept 21, 2016 7:17:17 GMT -5
John's spastic stamps were way before his appearance on Lewis' telethon. He would have known Lewis through movies, but not for the telethon. a funny side bar...Jerry Lewis once appeared on a Bob Hope-Bing Crosby telethon in 1952 and was so spastic that Bing Crosby fled the stage in fear. It started a feud between the two that was never mended.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 21, 2016 10:24:49 GMT -5
John's spastic stamps were way before his appearance on Lewis' telethon. He would have known Lewis through movies, but not for the telethon. a funny side bar...Jerry Lewis once appeared on a Bob Hope-Bing Crosby telethon in 1952 and was so spastic that Bing Crosby fled the stage in fear. It started a feud between the two that was never mended. Ironic that Jerry Lewis' comedy routine made fun of Physically Challenged individuals, yet he was so passionate about finding a cure for Muscular Dystrophy. What was John's answer to his antics on stage.........
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 22, 2016 17:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 22, 2016 18:06:17 GMT -5
Yes! So much so that theaters are reporting good business and sold out shows, so they have held the movie over for another week. I've seen it twice so far at the theater and I just may go to a 3rd screening. Now that I've seen it twice and have had more time for things to settle in, what strikes me is the Beatles magic and the emotional vibe to the film. It really is both sentimental and heart-tugging. For example, I love at the beginning where Paul is about to choke up as he mentions the perfect chemistry of having Ringo join the band. As a 'John Lennon guy' who's been longing to see someone "put the 'Lennon' back in 'Lennon/McCartney", I thought the film was pretty John-centric and was a step in aiding that cause (so to speak). I had read online at least one fan saying that Paul's songs got less attention, and I do have to agree. I'm actually surprised that more 'Paul people' are not miffed about that. I was surprised, actually, that I felt John's artistry more than Paul's in the film.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 22, 2016 18:56:12 GMT -5
Yes! So much so that theaters are reporting good business and sold out shows, so they have held the movie over for another week. I've seen it twice so far at the theater and I just may go to a 3rd screening. Now that I've seen it twice and have had more time for things to settle in, what strikes me is the Beatles magic and the emotional vibe to the film. It really is both sentimental and heart-tugging. For example, I love at the beginning where Paul is about to choke up as he mentions the perfect chemistry of having Ringo join the band. As a 'John Lennon guy' who's been longing to see someone "put the 'Lennon' back in 'Lennon/McCartney", I thought the film was pretty John-centric and was a step in aiding that cause (so to speak). I had read online at least one fan saying that Paul's songs got less attention, and I do have to agree. I'm actually surprised that more 'Paul people' are not miffed about that. I was surprised, actually, that I felt John's artistry more than Paul's in the film. "Now that I've seen it twice and have had more time for things to settle in, what strikes me is the Beatles magic and the emotional vibe to the film." That is why I have always felt 4 Beatles together (songs or albums) has always topped any single Post-Beatle song, or album; "Beatles Magic." PS I have already seen it three times....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 22, 2016 19:53:16 GMT -5
That is why I have always felt 4 Beatles together (songs or albums) has always topped any single Post-Beatle song, or album; "Beatles Magic." "Magic" is definitely there with all 4 members. "Better songs"? Most of the time, but that's not always a given. There always are some solo songs better than some Beatles songs for me. Great! In the theater...?
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Post by sayne on Sept 23, 2016 0:16:09 GMT -5
. . . My favorite new clip in the film and a great Paul McCartney moment is when Paul and John walk out a door and are ambushed by a reporter who asks them if they are worried about the upcoming U.S. leg of the 1966 Tour because of John's Jesus quote and while John sounds a little defensive and perhaps unsure, Paul makes a great face like "F-you reporter" and very confidently says to the effect, "It will be fine." Paul is a bad-ass there! . . . He looked like he was a bit stoned to me. What he said, how he said it, the smile he had all add up to a nice little buzz to me. Look at it again with that in mind and you might just agree with me.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 23, 2016 6:49:02 GMT -5
That is why I have always felt 4 Beatles together (songs or albums) has always topped any single Post-Beatle song, or album; "Beatles Magic." "Magic" is definitely there with all 4 members. "Better songs"? Most of the time, but that's not always a given. There always are some solo songs better than some Beatles songs for me. Great! In the theater...? Three different theatres. Small and medium size in Asbury Park,NJ last week and a large old vaudville house in Ann Arbor, Mich. this week. Wanted to take in the sound in different sized theatres.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 23, 2016 6:53:39 GMT -5
That is why I have always felt 4 Beatles together (songs or albums) has always topped any single Post-Beatle song, or album; "Beatles Magic." "Magic" is definitely there with all 4 members. "Better songs"? Most of the time, but that's not always a given. There always are some solo songs better than some Beatles songs for me. Great! In the theater...? Whenever I hear a good solo Post Beatle song I like I have always sat there and tried to imagine what the song would have sounded like with all four Fabs on it.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 23, 2016 9:59:09 GMT -5
. . . My favorite new clip in the film and a great Paul McCartney moment is when Paul and John walk out a door and are ambushed by a reporter who asks them if they are worried about the upcoming U.S. leg of the 1966 Tour because of John's Jesus quote and while John sounds a little defensive and perhaps unsure, Paul makes a great face like "F-you reporter" and very confidently says to the effect, "It will be fine." Paul is a bad-ass there! . . . He looked like he was a bit stoned to me. What he said, how he said it, the smile he had all add up to a nice little buzz to me. Look at it again with that in mind and you might just agree with me. LOL, I think you could be right on the mark, sayne! Still, I loved Paul's confidence and clear exasperation with the reporter, it reminded me of the LSD incident in 1967 when Paul told the interviewer there that the Press has some responsibility too in how it reports the news. Go Paul!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Sept 23, 2016 20:28:36 GMT -5
Yes! So much so that theaters are reporting good business and sold out shows, so they have held the movie over for another week. I've seen it twice so far at the theater and I just may go to a 3rd screening. Now that I've seen it twice and have had more time for things to settle in, what strikes me is the Beatles magic and the emotional vibe to the film. It really is both sentimental and heart-tugging. For example, I love at the beginning where Paul is about to choke up as he mentions the perfect chemistry of having Ringo join the band. As a 'John Lennon guy' who's been longing to see someone "put the 'Lennon' back in 'Lennon/McCartney", I thought the film was pretty John-centric and was a step in aiding that cause (so to speak). I had read online at least one fan saying that Paul's songs got less attention, and I do have to agree. I'm actually surprised that more 'Paul people' are not miffed about that. I was surprised, actually, that I felt John's artistry more than Paul's in the film. The artistry of all four shines brightly through this film. As far as the songs they sampled after the touring or apart from the live music, it was more of John's songs. However, as far as the live songs, it was pretty even: She Loves You Some Other Guy Twist and Shout All My Loving I Saw Her Standing There Can't Buy Me Love You Can't Do That Boys Things We Said Today If I Fell Help! Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby Dizzy Miss Lizzy Day Tripper Nowhere Man She's A Woman Don't Let Me Down I've Got A Feeling
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 23, 2016 22:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by cosmo on Sept 24, 2016 0:10:11 GMT -5
We saw it tonight in a sold-out theater in New Orleans, and I loved every minute of it. Our show was preceded by a short talk by Bruce Spizer, with lots of slides and interesting information, and followed by the Shea concert. By the end of Shea lots of the audience was singing along - most of us were in the 50+ age group, but there was a scattering of young folks, and a few teens. If the tickets weren't $15.00, and if we weren't looking at a giant bill for getting our crushed air conditioning ducts replaced, I'd go again tomorrow, and again on Sunday!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:18:50 GMT -5
I can't wait for the release of The Beatles: Eight Days a Week - The Touring Years - Deluxe Edition [DVD] [2016] complete with bonus extras.
This title will be released on November 21, 2016, let the countdown begin..
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 26, 2016 14:58:15 GMT -5
I can't wait for the release of The Beatles: Eight Days a Week - The Touring Years - Deluxe Edition [DVD] [2016] complete with bonus extras. This title will be released on November 21, 2016, let the countdown begin.. Nov. 18 in USA I believe. My order is in!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 8:31:35 GMT -5
I saw the movie today, a great doco on their touring years.
One bit that caught my eye was when the writing on the screen talked about the Beatles moving onto the next phase, working in the Studio. It said they recorded 5 albums in 4 years. Those 5 albums were, in order -
Magical Mystery Tour. The Beatles White album. Yellow Submarine. Abbey Road. LET IT BE.
How good was the snippet of the Rooftop Concert, might have been the first time i've noticed George singing harmony in that show.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 27, 2016 10:45:19 GMT -5
Magical Mystery Tour. The Beatles White album. Yellow Submarine. LET IT BE Abbey Road. Just wanted to fix this for you.
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