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Post by debjorgo on Apr 8, 2016 19:54:07 GMT -5
Driving Rain is the worse song on the album. It's probably the true stink that smells up the album for everybody. "One Two Three for Five, let's go for a ride". Yeah, this is it. This is the song. Why is, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven," genius on AR but Paul's countdown is not?! Come on Macca Mad Hatters, jump in and help, I can't fight the Driving Rain fight alone! Hey. I'm on the pro-Driving Rain side. There are just some songs on the album that require skipping. Otherwise they taint the whole album. Chanting "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven" in a fade out is one thing. Had Paul built the song around that line, we'd been complaining about it and leaving Maxwell alone. I've said here before, I love Rinse the Raindrops. It really rocks. The song is too short. The best: Lonely Road Spinning on an Axis About You Back in the Sunshine Again Riding into Jaipur Rinse the Raindrops Pretty good pop songs: Tiny Bubble Your Way Heather Not bad ballads (if you like that kind of thing): From a Lover to a Friend Your Loving Flame |
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Post by kc on Apr 8, 2016 20:08:55 GMT -5
Come on Macca Mad Hatters, jump in and help, I can't fight the Driving Rain fight alone! Not that I consider myself a Macca Mad Hatter; I think I am usually even handed when critiquing Paul’s work and I am a Lennon and Harrison fan as well. Still, I’ve defended Driving Rain a number of times on this board. So, everybody must know by now that I think it’s OK. I especially get enjoyment from and find value in the songs Lonely Road, She’s Given Up Talking, Magic, About You and Heather. Space could have been found for at least one of these on Pure McCartney IMO. I don’t mind Y our Way, Back In The Sunshine Again, Your Loving Flame and Riding Into Jaipur as well. Let me see, I’ll give the album seven out of ten, three and a half stars out of five. But, since I am honest, there are some things about it I admit I don’t like. From A Lover To A Friend and Tiny Bubble sound good, but are spoiled by poor lyrics. Driving Rain just doesn’t make it for me. I Do is too cute. I find nothing good about Spinning On An Axis. Rinse The Raindrops is a good jam, but I would have restricted it to being purely an instrumental. Paul’s lyrics are nonsensical and don’t add anything. Freedom is a tacked on afterthought. The album is too long: a double LP on vinyl. It should have been edited down to about 12 tracks, maybe even a short album of ten. Freedom could have been issued as a stand alone charity single. |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 8, 2016 20:28:26 GMT -5
I like the lyrics to Rinse the Raindrops.
They follow in the Driving Rain theme of the album, along with Driving Rain and Back in the Sunshine.
"In the morning, skies will clear, and I'll be here. See the sunlight break the ice, for the birds of paradise, Listen to the songs they sing awakening".
Great imagery.
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Post by sayne on Apr 8, 2016 20:55:48 GMT -5
Okay, here's a question and a challenge. Do you think it would be possible to put together a good "More Purer McCartney" using 67 completely different songs? I think it is. Anyone want to try?
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Post by kc on Apr 8, 2016 21:21:15 GMT -5
I like the lyrics to Rinse the Raindrops. They follow in the Driving Rain theme of the album, along with Driving Rain and Back in the Sunshine. "In the morning, skies will clear, and I'll be here. See the sunlight break the ice, for the birds of paradise, Listen to the songs they sing awakening". Great imagery. I must admit I had missed this. Only a theme for part of the album. Unusual. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 8, 2016 22:03:39 GMT -5
Alright! Debjorgo and KC, great DR posts!
I just got done walking the dog, selecting the wine and am about to put DR on my stereo!
I feel the same on Rinse The Raindrops, very cosmic but it rocks! And in defense of the song DR, how about these great lyrics:
"You come walking through my door
Like the one that I've been waiting for
Letting sunshine in the darkest places when I've been going there again"
"The Long And Winding Road" couldn't say it any better. It was Heather Mills coming through that door, finally after so many years bringing with her that amazing radiance, her loving flame!
I think Paul's fans who were widowers or widows got DR! Being torn from your deceased love which is only a memory to something new and real.
I am not a widower(although I wish I was, it is cheaper than a divorce) but I kind of got it in 2001. I mean Paul completely loses it in "From A Lover To A Friend," where he just goes almost into gibberish as we all have when in profound grief, at the specific moment we lose it when trying to communicate with another:
"Ohh la la la
How can I walk when I can't find a way
I have a dilemma
All I want is to tell me
You're going to take it away"
That is a powerful moment in the song, one I think spontaneous in the studio and it is hard for me to listen to but listen we must.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 8, 2016 22:12:01 GMT -5
Okay, here's a question and a challenge. Do you think it would be possible to put together a good "More Purer McCartney" using 67 completely different songs? I think it is. Anyone want to try? I say not only yes but hell yes! Paul opened the door for ignoring all but one from WWL, no DR, nor FITD. Right there I want at least 15 songs maybe 20! All 20 pure, unadulterated McCartney! |
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Post by kc on Apr 9, 2016 1:16:37 GMT -5
Okay, here's a question and a challenge. Do you think it would be possible to put together a good "More Purer McCartney" using 67 completely different songs? I think it is. Anyone want to try? I say not only yes but hell yes! Paul opened the door for ignoring all but one from WWL, no DR, nor FITD. Right there I want at least 15 songs maybe 20! All 20 pure, unadulterated McCartney! Most of us have a fair idea of what could/should have been included from Wild Life and Flowers In The Dirt. What would you choose from Driving Rain though? Say one to three tracks. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 9, 2016 5:49:54 GMT -5
Why is, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven," genius on AR but Paul's countdown is not?! Chanting "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven" in a fade out is one thing. Had Paul built the song around that line, we'd been complaining about it and leaving Maxwell alone. You're exactly right, debjorgo. The ABBEY ROAD song is at the end, a coda.. part of the fadeout, an afterthought. This is an ineffectual and desperate stab that a lot of fans attempt to try in order to "defend" the song "Driving Rain". It's a completely moot non-argument. Now, "All Together Now" with its "1,2,3,4, can I have a little more?" opener is perhaps fairer game as an attempt for citing a "double standard" ... except that it's a kiddie song for one thing, and I am consistent in that I also don't care much for "All Together Now" either (though it's a classic next to "Driving Rain"). |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 9, 2016 5:51:24 GMT -5
I had to be brutal. Of the three you mention, and I guess it's a case of different tastes, but Calico Skies and Somedays I don't regard highly, mainly because of the lyrics. Really? I think those are some of the best lyrics Paul has ever written. Right up there with For No One (my all-time favorite). I agree, Coachbk.... great lyrics, and songs worthy of Paul's best ever. Had they been on REVOLVER or THE WHITE ALBUM, I think people would be hailing them. |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 9, 2016 5:58:11 GMT -5
JoeKarlosi, when Paul gets around to re-issuing Driving Rain in the deluxe vinyl box with extras, I am going to buy it for you and you will cry tears of joy at discovering this fabulous collection of pure McCartney songs when Paul was at the biggest crossroads of his life: letting go of the lovely Linda who was gone from this world and reaching out for renewed life from the brightly burning, intense Heather Mills! I would hope that whatever 'bonus tracks' would be on that release, they would be at least decent songs (unlike the content of THRIVING PAIN). But I have serious doubts that Paul will ever revisit this album. He seems to steer clear of albums that are not well received when he selects them for his Archives Collection (with the exception of M II, I guess just because it went alongside the original M 1 ) . Heathen Mills was/is a horrible individual. Paul's biggest mistake in his life (not counting "the beautiful, sweet, innocent Beatice" .. but let's see what happens when she grows up). Though that has zero to do with why none of the songs off THRIVING PAIN appealed to me upon its release way back in 2001 (well before any bad Heathen karma became know to us). That is usually another card that defenders of TP like to play!  |
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 9, 2016 12:45:43 GMT -5
Chanting "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven" in a fade out is one thing. Had Paul built the song around that line, we'd been complaining about it and leaving Maxwell alone. You're exactly right, debjorgo. The ABBEY ROAD song is at the end, a coda.. part of the fadeout, an afterthought. This is an ineffectual and desperate stab that a lot of fans attempt to try in order to "defend" the song "Driving Rain". It's a completely moot non-argument. Now, "All Together Now" with its "1,2,3,4, can I have a little more?" opener is perhaps fairer game as an attempt for citing a "double standard" ... except that it's a kiddie song for one thing, and I am consistent in that I also don't care much for "All Together Now" either (though it's a classic next to "Driving Rain"). And you are right about All Together Now being a kiddie song. And from a kiddie animated movie based on a kiddie song. John even got in the spirit with All Together Now and added his part. I always liked it because it was the only part of the movie in live action. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 9, 2016 13:16:27 GMT -5
I say not only yes but hell yes! Paul opened the door for ignoring all but one from WWL, no DR, nor FITD. Right there I want at least 15 songs maybe 20! All 20 pure, unadulterated McCartney! Most of us have a fair idea of what could/should have been included from Wild Life and Flowers In The Dirt. What would you choose from Driving Rain though? Say one to three tracks. I cannot possibly or reasonably limit it to three songs. Here I go: 1. "Lonely Road:" Any Paul song that starts with a solo bass riff has gotta be pure McCatney! Paul is a lonely, dejected James Dean in this song! 2. "From a Lover to a Friend:" The most sad, heartbreaking song Paul has ever written and performed. One cannot fully comprehend or understand one Sir James Paul McCartney without appreciating this song as a masterpiece. Was it a single, hell no! Paul listened to Ringo who wouldn't know a hit single if it bit him in the ass("I Can Help" anyone, tailor-written for Ringo in the mid-70's but he rejected it). 3. "Driving Rain:" Let Joe Karlosi and the naysayers diss it! It was the 2001 up-tempo version of "The Long And Winding Road" in that the woman Paul is waiting for finally comes through his door while in TLAWR, Paul is eternally looking for her door! 4. "Magic:" This is pure and majestic McCartney. How can we not cry at the final verse of this song? This is Paul's solo "Hey Jude" without the self-indulgent fade-out! 5. "Your Way:" Are you kidding me! This must be a great Ram reject! This is music directly from The JSD Postulate Era! This has a better vibe than "Bip Bop" and that is saying a lot! 6. "About You:" Another song that sounds like it is straight from the Postulate Era. This song wallops a hard punch, it gets to the point. Dig these lyrics: You give me power to get out of bed When in the morning I'm feeling dead Living and loving, there's a lot to be said, it's true Gonna say it about you Say it about you Out of the darkness and into the light Straight to the center of everything right Darling, don't worry, the sky will be bright and blue When I say it about you Gonna say it about you, oh yeah I'll say it about you When did you teach me to fly through the air Sooner or later we all will be there I read the headlines and now I can swear it's true And they said it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you Heather Mills for pulling Paul out of his bed(where he slept with son James for months after Linda's death) and putting him into your bed where you rocked his world and got him making music again! 7. "Heather:" The single greatest song of any era, any genre, bar none, as to describing the joy of new love. This should be the declared anthem of Valentine's Day! 8. "Your Loving Flame:" Oh my God! The greatest Paul piano ballad since "My Love!" This should be the forever standard, universal Prom theme song! Every wedding reception from here on out should be required to play this song! Okay, those eight (8) songs must be on sayne's Purer McCartney. I struggled mightily with the oft--discussed "Rinse The Raindrops." Man. powerful stuff. And more controversial yet: I, JSD assert that if the song "I Do" was on the 1976 album Wings At The Speed Of Sound, it would have bumped "Let Em In" as the second single and been a monster #1, making us forget "Silly Love Songs." Yet it doesn't make my cut because it was released in 2001 and not 1976! |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 9, 2016 13:31:18 GMT -5
Really? I think those are some of the best lyrics Paul has ever written. Right up there with For No One (my all-time favorite). I agree, Coachbk.... great lyrics, and songs worthy of Paul's best ever. Had they been on REVOLVER or THE WHITE ALBUM, I think people would be hailing them. Wait a minute, you all have read JoeySelf's deconstruction of the "Calico Skies" lyrics? They don't make any sense. Is it a love song, is it a WW I historical song about naïve European gentleman running off to slaughter, thinking war was glorious? What the hell is Paul going on about? I agree it sounds good and he sure did worse like on albums BOTR, V&M and London Town, but it is not at the level of "For No One." I likewise like "Somedays" but there are some lazy lyrics there, the sports references as an example and besides, Paul says the song means nothing. He denied that it was about Linda's illness. It was just an exercise in writing a song in a set time period. From my perspective, a song like "Mumbo" say as much lyrically because it comes from Paul's inner-self! |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 9, 2016 15:24:25 GMT -5
Wait a minute, you all have read JoeySelf's deconstruction of the "Calico Skies" lyrics? They don't make any sense. Is it a love song, is it a WW I historical song about naïve European gentleman running off to slaughter, thinking war was glorious? What the hell is Paul going on about? I didn't agree with JoeySelf when he deconstructed the lyrics for Paul's equally wonderful "C'mon People" either. But if we're gonna start critiquing Paul McCartney lyrics we need to start in The Beatles! I think "Somedays" is even better than "Calico Skies". I know Paul wrote it as a sort of challenge to see if he could write a song in a certain time frame, but I think it says a lot, just the same. Oh, I see you were just having yet another go at us!  |
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Post by kc on Apr 9, 2016 18:32:42 GMT -5
Most of us have a fair idea of what could/should have been included from Wild Life and Flowers In The Dirt. What would you choose from Driving Rain though? Say one to three tracks. I cannot possibly or reasonably limit it to three songs. Here I go: 1. "Lonely Road:" Any Paul song that starts with a solo bass riff has gotta be pure McCatney! Paul is a lonely, dejected James Dean in this song! 2. "From a Lover to a Friend:" The most sad, heartbreaking song Paul has ever written and performed. One cannot fully comprehend or understand one Sir James Paul McCartney without appreciating this song as a masterpiece. Was it a single, hell no! Paul listened to Ringo who wouldn't know a hit single if it bit him in the ass("I Can Help" anyone, tailor-written for Ringo in the mid-70's but he rejected it). 3. "Driving Rain:" Let Joe Karlosi and the naysayers diss it! It was the 2001 up-tempo version of "The Long And Winding Road" in that the woman Paul is waiting for finally comes through his door while in TLAWR, Paul is eternally looking for her door! 4. "Magic:" This is pure and majestic McCartney. How can we not cry at the final verse of this song? This is Paul's solo "Hey Jude" without the self-indulgent fade-out! 5. "Your Way:" Are you kidding me! This must be a great Ram reject! This is music directly from The JSD Postulate Era! This has a better vibe than "Bip Bop" and that is saying a lot! 6. "About You:" Another song that sounds like it is straight from the Postulate Era. This song wallops a hard punch, it gets to the point. Dig these lyrics: You give me power to get out of bed When in the morning I'm feeling dead Living and loving, there's a lot to be said, it's true Gonna say it about you Say it about you Out of the darkness and into the light Straight to the center of everything right Darling, don't worry, the sky will be bright and blue When I say it about you Gonna say it about you, oh yeah I'll say it about you When did you teach me to fly through the air Sooner or later we all will be there I read the headlines and now I can swear it's true And they said it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Gonna say it about you Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you Heather Mills for pulling Paul out of his bed(where he slept with son James for months after Linda's death) and putting him into your bed where you rocked his world and got him making music again! 7. "Heather:" The single greatest song of any era, any genre, bar none, as to describing the joy of new love. This should be the declared anthem of Valentine's Day! 8. "Your Loving Flame:" Oh my God! The greatest Paul piano ballad since "My Love!" This should be the forever standard, universal Prom theme song! Every wedding reception from here on out should be required to play this song! Okay, those eight (8) songs must be on sayne's Purer McCartney. I struggled mightily with the oft--discussed "Rinse The Raindrops." Man. powerful stuff. And more controversial yet: I, JSD assert that if the song "I Do" was on the 1976 album Wings At The Speed Of Sound, it would have bumped "Let Em In" as the second single and been a monster #1, making us forget "Silly Love Songs." Yet it doesn't make my cut because it was released in 2001 and not 1976! Eight songs from Driving Rain. Is that more than you would include from Wild LIfe? Do I feel a second JSD Postulate coming on? |
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Post by coachbk on Apr 9, 2016 18:49:12 GMT -5
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Since WILD LIFE only has 8 songs I think the answer is obvious.
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Post by coachbk on Apr 9, 2016 18:57:25 GMT -5
I agree, Coachbk.... great lyrics, and songs worthy of Paul's best ever. Had they been on REVOLVER or THE WHITE ALBUM, I think people would be hailing them. Wait a minute, you all have read JoeySelf's deconstruction of the "Calico Skies" lyrics? They don't make any sense. Is it a love song, is it a WW I historical song about naïve European gentleman running off to slaughter, thinking war was glorious? What the hell is Paul going on about? I agree it sounds good and he sure did worse like on albums BOTR, V&M and London Town, but it is not at the level of "For No One." I likewise like "Somedays" but there are some lazy lyrics there, the sports references as an example and besides, Paul says the song means nothing. He denied that it was about Linda's illness. It was just an exercise in writing a song in a set time period. From my perspective, a song like "Mumbo" say as much lyrically because it comes from Paul's inner-self! Like JoeK I very much disagreed with JoeySelf's criticism of the "Calico Skies" lyric. I recall in fact that I thought his critique was weak. The people of Paul's generation in Livrpool were born under the "calico skies" of the bombs dropping in WWII. I think it all ties in perfectly. And just because Paul didn't praise "Somedays" himself doesn't mean it isn't great. John didn't think much of "It's Only Love" and "And Your Bird Can Sing" but I love both of those. On another note, I need to listen to DRIVING RAIN again. I bet it has been 5 or 6 years since I last listened to it. I don't even remember most of the songs. I know I liked "Lonely Road" and "From A Lover To A Friend" and I actually didn't mind the title song. I was pretty catchy. I know I didn't like "She's Given Up Talking". Lyrics did nothing for me and it was boring musically. |
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Post by kc on Apr 9, 2016 19:02:27 GMT -5
[ Eight songs from Driving Rain. Is that more than you would include from Wild LIfe? Do I feel a second JSD Postulate coming on? Since WILD LIFE only has 8 songs I think the answer is obvious. [/quote] But then in addition there is Bip Bop LInk and Mumbo LInk. He might just include those as well. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 10, 2016 0:22:01 GMT -5
My Wings Wild Life selections for Purer McCartney would be:
1. "Mumbo:" Purest McCartney
2. "Wild Life:" This is as good as Paul McCartney can ever get.
3. "Some People Never Know"
4. "Tomorrow:"
5. "Dear Friend"
Remember, "Bip Bop" is already on Pure McCartney, this is Purer McCartney.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 10, 2016 17:24:46 GMT -5
Roll call time:
Who is buying Pure McCartney?
And if you are a yes, are you buying both the 2 disc and 4 disc or just one or the other(same with vinyl)?
I will buy the four (4) CD disc version but nothing more.
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Post by kc on Apr 10, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5
I will buy the 2CD and 4CD and wish I could today rather than wait until June. No vinyl for me. I don't have any problem with Paul McCartney releasing an updated compilation. Other acts have done it a lot more often than him, after all. I just would have preferred a bit different track list.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 11, 2016 6:03:59 GMT -5
Roll call time: Who is buying Pure McCartney? And if you are a yes, are you buying both the 2 disc and 4 disc or just one or the other(same with vinyl)? I will buy the four (4) CD disc version but nothing more. 4 CD Set and Vinyl . |
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Post by mikev on Apr 11, 2016 7:04:53 GMT -5
Driving Rain is the worse song on the album. It's probably the true stink that smells up the album for everybody. "One Two Three for Five, let's go for a ride". Yeah, this is it. This is the song. Why is, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all good children go to heaven," genius on AR but Paul's countdown is not?! Come on Macca Mad Hatters, jump in and help, I can't fight the Driving Rain fight alone! I have often said here that the Abbey Road lyric has some poetic license as a fade out song phrase, but in Drive the count is a main lyric and as trite as could possibly be. Fodder for Yoko's "June and Spoon" comments. As for the collection, a big fat "I'LL PASS...." |
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Post by Panther on Apr 11, 2016 7:09:09 GMT -5
Roll call time: Who is buying Pure McCartney?  |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 11, 2016 15:18:52 GMT -5
Roll call time: Who is buying Pure McCartney? LOL! I know, I know! I will admit that I am one of the brainwashed persons who has been conditioned to buy these things. I am proud of myself in not wanting to also buy the 2 CD set(not that I fault you KC!). Normally I must get all modes except those thousand dollar ones. When Ringo hosed us on super duper Ringo Rama is when I finally drew some lines in the sand. But I feel I wouldn't be a pure Paul fan if I didn't buy Pure McCartney in some form. That's just me. |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Apr 11, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Apr 11, 2016 21:30:22 GMT -5
I will buy the 2CD and 4CD and wish I could today rather than wait until June. No vinyl for me. I don't have any problem with Paul McCartney releasing an updated compilation. Other acts have done it a lot more often than him, after all. I just would have preferred a bit different track list. What am I missing here? Why would a person buy both the 2 CD and 4 CD version? Is it JUST about a collection? Too bad there isn't a Purest of the Pure 1 CD version and a 3 CD set. Can't wait for a blue, red, green, and yellow version and also a picture disk. I don't even really get getting the CD and the vinyl. If I was still a collector, I'd put more value on the vinyl. By it and burn a CD (I have a vinyl to CD recorder). |
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 11, 2016 22:10:22 GMT -5
And here folks is why we must run, not walk, to buy the four (4) CD set(or vinyl) Pure McCartney. Look at all of those 2016 remasters! The way these McCartney re-issues are coming out at snail's pace, we may never hear some of these great songs in improved sonics! Thanks Steve, great article! |
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Post by kc on Apr 11, 2016 23:58:59 GMT -5
I will buy the 2CD and 4CD and wish I could today rather than wait until June. No vinyl for me. I don't have any problem with Paul McCartney releasing an updated compilation. Other acts have done it a lot more often than him, after all. I just would have preferred a bit different track list. What am I missing here? Why would a person buy both the 2 CD and 4 CD version? Is it JUST about a collection? Too bad there isn't a Purest of the Pure 1 CD version and a 3 CD set. Can't wait for a blue, red, green, and yellow version and also a picture disk. I don't even really get getting the CD and the vinyl. If I was still a collector, I'd put more value on the vinyl. By it and burn a CD (I have a vinyl to CD recorder). I don't know. It's like JSD said above, "That's just me." You actually nailed it a few threads ago: I'm hooked. But it's a harmless addiction. |
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