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Post by sallyg on Jul 14, 2016 3:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 4:34:25 GMT -5
I'll definitely get that one when it's released.
I'll be doing a Figure of Eight as i leave the shop with my 10th version of Flowers In The Dirt.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 14, 2016 9:56:29 GMT -5
Wow that is exciting news, about the demos that is!
Also, at least Paul is honest about why no FITD songs on Pure McCartney even though that is a shitty reason from a fan's perspective, especially casual fans who might want a taste of all of Paul's solo career in such a comp but don't want to buy every album!
It was pure economics. That is rational but not fan friendly.
Hey, how about Flowers In The Dirt Stripped Down like Double Fantasy? Much criticism of this album stems from the 1980's production, not the songs themselves. I wonder if this could be stripped down to bare vocals and musical backing?
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 14, 2016 18:04:10 GMT -5
If I weren't buying any of the reissues because I already had a few of the songs...
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Post by sallyg on Jul 14, 2016 19:03:50 GMT -5
Wow that is exciting news, about the demos that is! Also, at least Paul is honest about why no FITD songs on Pure McCartney even though that is a shitty reason from a fan's perspective, especially casual fans who might want a taste of all of Paul's solo career in such a comp but don't want to buy every album! It was pure economics. That is rational but not fan friendly. Hey, how about Flowers In The Dirt Stripped Down like Double Fantasy? Much criticism of this album stems from the 1980's production, not the songs themselves. I wonder if this could be stripped down to bare vocals and musical backing? Yeah, now we know why there was no Flowers in the Dirt on Pure McCartney.Since I went to Paul's show on Tuesday, that's why I haven't bought Pure McCartney yet. What I will probably do is buy the FITD reissue first than Pure McCartney. I suspect more details about this reissue will be released later.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 15, 2016 3:23:08 GMT -5
Excellent news! Looking forward to saving more money!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 15, 2016 10:40:21 GMT -5
Excellent news! Looking forward to saving more money! Not buying this either, eh?
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Post by lowbasso on Jul 16, 2016 8:49:56 GMT -5
Excellent news! Looking forward to saving more money! Take all the money you are saving on these reissues and go to Vegas and catch The Beatles Love Show. They play nightly there and it sounds like they are just standing behind a curtain onstage.
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Post by stavros on Jul 16, 2016 18:49:29 GMT -5
Well actually "Flowers in the Dirt" lies some way off the top of my list of favourite Paul albums. However as I said back in the "Pure" thread. I think the production was technically perfect on that album. It was released at a time when most people had replaced their ageing record players with CDs. The top rock stars commanded huge production budgets and computer technology could iron out all those imperfections. Most importantly of all Paul seemed to have finally recovered from his 1980s slumber. Probably thanks to the partnership with Elvis Costello. Maybe those unreleased tracks will give us less flowers and more dirt?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 7:51:16 GMT -5
Flowers In The Dirt is one of my Favourite Macca albums.
I'm not putting on my brave face admitting that either.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 18, 2016 10:01:58 GMT -5
I will buy this deluxe Box but there was room for both this reissue and at least three FITD songs being on Pure McCartney, the McCartney Solo career spanning compilation featuring songs curated by Paul himself.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 1, 2016 16:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 1, 2016 17:18:57 GMT -5
Oh well. It was fun and exciting for a minute or two. Actually I saw this at work today and didn't have time to look at it too close. So I have been kind of excited about it all day. The key word here is "Unofficial". You might also note the release year on this as 2015 listed on another page of the site .
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Post by mikev on Aug 1, 2016 18:18:40 GMT -5
If true THIS is worth a countdown, the Phil Ramone tracks and the Elvis Costello covers.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 1, 2016 18:45:54 GMT -5
If true THIS is worth a countdown, the Phil Ramone tracks and the Elvis Costello covers. That's what gives it away. There's too much on it. My first suspicion came with the first disc. On the official deluxe archive releases, only the proper album songs were listed on the first disc. You didn't get the bonus tracks that were on the regular releases. They were on disc 2.
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Post by kc on Dec 15, 2016 17:06:03 GMT -5
I’ve said it before and now I’m going to say it again: these Paul McCartney Archive Series releases are just a big jumbled mess. Now they’ve got Flowers In The Dirt wrong too.
Does MPL (or, more accurately I suspect, Paul McCartney himself) not understand that the attraction to many prospective consumers of the relatively inexpensive 2CD version of these archive series sets is the bonus audio, especially B-sides and single edits? If there was too much to fit on a single bonus CD then just include the obviously desirable tracks, or make it a 3 CD set. If you are going to compile a big, expensive CD box set version of an individual album you need to include all (or close to it) of the relevant associated material in the box. To offer some of it as downloads is not on. Throw in an extra CD or two and do it properly. I’m happy to get the McCartney/Costello demos officially released at last, so I don’t really have much to complain about there. It just seems to me that whenever Paul is involved in the curating of one of these archive sets, or best ofs, they turn out flawed.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 15, 2016 20:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 15, 2016 20:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on Dec 16, 2016 3:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 16, 2016 20:17:29 GMT -5
I'm really pissed that Paul is only doing "download only" for 16 tracks. This decision just might put me off adding this volume in the "Archives" series to my collection. Part of me wants to get the deluxe edition anyway to have the DVD videos (including the very good PUT IT THERE tour preparation show) and the book; the other part of me wants to just flip the bird to this whole thing, just on the principal of it. This will take some mulling over.
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Post by kc on Dec 16, 2016 22:14:45 GMT -5
Part of me wouldn’t mind if this was the last Archive Collection release. If Capitol could announce in July a rational and comprehensive strategy for releasing the whole McCartney back catalogue (including the rare stuff) then I think I would now prefer that. Do it all again, but do it right.
It will be about 17 months since TOW/POP came out when FITD appears in March 2017. That length of time and yet things are still not going to be done correctly in the opinion of many fans. Paul obviously wants to put a spotlight on his collaborations with Elvis Costello with this upcoming release. Fair enough, I think much of it is strong material, but I think he is going about things the wrong way. Some of the McCartney/MacManus songs are found on Off The Ground, for instance. Others didn’t even make it onto any McCartney album. FITD has four. I think the joint work deserves a separate McCartney/Costello release of its own. Maybe that could even actually be a hit
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 17, 2016 0:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah KC, I hadn't seen any of the info on the release when I read your earlier post. You apparently assumed we'd all seen it.
I agree; the download only tracks are a stupid, stupid idea.
Re-releases like this have no value in a digital era. If this were an all digital release, we would only be buying the bonus tracks we didn't have. We wouldn't buy the whole album. I wouldn't need the books, the photos...etc. If we were forced to buy the whole album to get the bonus tracks, I personally, would pass. I buy the project for the total package that I can hold in my hand. I can plug the CDs in a good stereo and get a great sound. You can hear the remaster on a good stereo. You can't hear the difference on a digital download, on your iPod.
I'm most disappointed about not getting a good copy of The First Stone on disc. I dubbed it off a cassette not too long ago. It's a great, dark, grungy, hard rocking song about religious hypocrisy. I love it! My dubbed copy sounds terrible. Real muddy. I found it on youtube and it sounded just like my copy. Did it sound like that when it was released? Maybe that's why it's not being released on a proper disc. I'd still want it on disc.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2016 4:26:14 GMT -5
I cannot believe "Où Est Le Soleil? (Tub Dub Mix)" is download only! That is a killer mix! And hey, Capitol says Paul "personally supervised" this re-issue! WTF does that mean and how is it different from Paul "personally curating" the songs on the amazing Pure McCartney compilation?! According to Dave Grohl, Macca is smoking a lot of dope again and while I think dope-smoking in moderation is good for Paul, he must be over-doing it as evidenced by this f'd-up FITD re-issue!
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Post by sayne on Dec 17, 2016 4:54:35 GMT -5
This quote from Paul's website kinda bothered me:
In preparation for his first major world tour in years Paul was looking to capture songs he could take on the road with him. Paul told his band that he wouldn’t go out on tour unless he really liked the album.
Is he admitting that there have been some albums that he didn't like? If so, then why release them? I would think an artist would like every album they put out. If an artist doesn't like an album they've done,but releases it anyway, that shows so much disrespect for your fans. You're taking their money.
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Post by nine on Dec 17, 2016 9:15:38 GMT -5
I am not going to buy again what I have already bought several times despite the carrots. Too much coin. With Beatles Plus I would love to have the second dvd but I already have the first and the album. F*** the deluxe crap. I don't need the photos of Paul wanking about with his mullet that he thinks is not a mullet. What happened to that original Beatles ethos of not ripping off the fans?
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 17, 2016 13:30:05 GMT -5
This quote from Paul's website kinda bothered me: In preparation for his first major world tour in years Paul was looking to capture songs he could take on the road with him. Paul told his band that he wouldn’t go out on tour unless he really liked the album.Is he admitting that there have been some albums that he didn't like? If so, then why release them? I would think an artist would like every album they put out. If an artist doesn't like an album they've done,but releases it anyway, the shows so much disrespect for your fans. You're taking their money. And Paul must not like FITD now because he never plays live anything from that album even though there are at least three songs(maybe more) that would still be great live: "My Brave Face," "This One," and "Put It There." All three would be a lovely break to the Beatles/BOTR-Era-Wings-centric setlist. The Sounes' book on Paul claims that Macca got bored and unsatisfied during the aborted 1979/1980 Wings' Tour, not very happy with the band or the Back To The Egg material he was plugging, particularly after it was clear that Egg was a commercial dud. It is hinted that may explain his reckless behavior in Japan wherein he was busted and that effectively ended the tour and Wings.
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Post by stavros on Dec 17, 2016 17:44:37 GMT -5
I have to agree this "Paul McCartney Archive Collection" as a 'project' has been muddled and frustrating for us fans . I don't think there was ever any real long term plan. In fact I think it's been nothing more than an 'idea' for product releases in-between tours and Beatles projects.
Here we are six years into it and what do we have?
It all started back in 2010 when "Band on the Run" was selected for treatment:
1CD, 2CD+1DVD and Deluxe Packaging plus 3CD+1DVD. But that format was then tweaked.
Then we had the 'Wingless' McCartney I & II and Ram. Next followed "Wings Over America" with varying packaging formats. Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound were released as only 2CD or De-luxe (expensive) packages only. Next we had 'War' and 'Peace' last year.
So Wildlife, Red Rose Speedway, London Town and Back to the Egg remain off the radar. Even though, as an example, 'Back to the Egg' has a huge amount of material to draw from. There are the live performances from 1979 and the TV special.
Plus there are sessions from Lympne castle and even some TV footage lying around the web; like Paul's return to Liverpool with a free concert for the kids at his old school. In my humble opinion it is a much under rated album and may receive a boost like Ram did when it was re-issued. But it seems Paul associates certain albums with failure. Perhaps that is his motivating factor when deciding on the order of the re-issues?
I am not clear of the exact reasons that led to Paul losing his enthusiasm and breaking up Wings. I don't think it was the Japanese drug bust that did it. There were signs already there when Paul put his own moniker to "Wonderful Christmastime" and recorded solo in the summer of 1979 tracks for what became McCartney II. There was obviously something not quite right and of course events at the tail end of 1980 changed things forever. But he seems reluctant to embrace the post "Mull of Kintyre" era of Wings.
Paul should have released "Pure McCartney" first and then gone with a chronological release schedule of his back catalogue. Dare I say it Paul could even have done a "Pure McCartney" tour, with no Beatles songs, just his own solo and Wings material. (Again this is only my humble opinion).
As a footnote. Sad that this is the only version of Wings playing "With a Little Luck" live.
One of his biggest hits that Paul doesn't play live.
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Post by kc on Dec 17, 2016 19:11:34 GMT -5
I have to agree this "Paul McCartney Archive Collection" as a 'project' has been muddled and frustrating for us fans . I don't think there was ever any real long term plan. In fact I think it's been nothing more than an 'idea' for product releases in-between tours and Beatles projects. Here we are six years into it and what do we have? It all started back in 2010 when "Band on the Run" was selected for treatment: 1CD, 2CD+1DVD and Deluxe Packaging plus 3CD+1DVD. But that format was then tweaked. Then we had the 'Wingless' McCartney I & II and Ram. Next followed "Wings Over America" with varying packaging formats. Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound were released as only 2CD or De-luxe (expensive) packages only. Next we had 'War' and 'Peace' last year. You're quite right. There have been so many changes, discrepancies, aberrations and delays now that the series is a joke IMO. That last reissue with the 2CD TOW album being presented as a remix and the original mix only available with the box really got me bemused. Couldn't find the master tape? What a debacle. Now I'm even angrier about the FITD 2CD set not including the bonus B-sides and single mixes, when every other reissue up to this point complied with that format, or at least came close. It's just plain incompetence.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 17, 2016 20:34:42 GMT -5
Tug Of War was recorded digitally. If you want the best copy there is, the original release is good. There is no degradation in a digital recording. No tape noise, fading out ...etc on the original master. The only thing to offer is a re-mix.
I probably played Back to the Egg for company more than any Paul/Wings album, except Band on the Run. I'd start side 1 with Old Siam, Sir and let it play out to the end and eject and go back to the beginning for Reception and Getting Closer. I do the same thing with side 2, starting with The Broadcast. Sometimes, I'd let After the Ball play, other times that would be where I stopped it.
I need to hear So Glad to See You Here once every month or so.
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Post by nine on Dec 18, 2016 7:13:42 GMT -5
Tug Of War was recorded digitally. If you want the best copy there is, the original release is good. There is no degradation in a digital recording. No tape noise, fading out ...etc on the original master. The only thing to offer is a re-mix. I probably played Back to the Egg for company more than any Paul/Wings album, except Band on the Run. I'd start side 1 with Old Siam, Sir and let it play out to the end and eject and go back to the beginning for Reception and Getting Closer. I do the same thing with side 2, starting with The Broadcast. Sometimes, I'd let After the Ball play, other times that would be where I stopped it. I need to hear So Glad to See You Here once every month or so. Love Back to the Egg. One of my top 3 Macca albums.
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