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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 17:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 17:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 17:30:51 GMT -5
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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 17:37:00 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 18, 2017 17:39:07 GMT -5
I agree Fred, damn straight Chuck Berry gets a front and center spotlight here! He was the real King of Rock and Roll! Put Keith Richards on a suicide watch, one of the greatest in Rock and Roll is gone!
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 18, 2017 17:53:14 GMT -5
This was always my favorite song/performance. The song that inspired Come Together!
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Post by kc on Mar 18, 2017 18:05:21 GMT -5
I just saw it on the morning news. A genuine legend. At least he had a long life.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 18, 2017 18:23:34 GMT -5
The King is dead. Long live the King. EVERYONE from Elvis to The Beatles to every black and white musician since the 1950's was influenced by him. He was present at the moment Rock & Roll was created. Heaven's Gates are jammed with all the pop musicians who have left us standing there welcoming him home. Heaven will rock tonite! RIP to The Greatest ever!
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 18, 2017 19:04:56 GMT -5
"Gone like a cool breeze!"
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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 21:05:12 GMT -5
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Post by OldFred on Mar 18, 2017 21:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 19, 2017 6:51:03 GMT -5
I hadn't heard this.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 19, 2017 7:40:40 GMT -5
Sadly the band John put together for this was pitiful, with Yoko screeching her crap while beating a stupid drum. The song was in too high a key so John was forced to sing it an octave lower under Chuck. You could tell Chuck was not pleased with the band. But the interview was great. John was like a little kid around Chuck that day. The youtube video of Julian Lennon and Chuck doing "Johnny Be Goode" above really rocks. John would have been proud of that one.
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Post by OldFred on Mar 19, 2017 10:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 20, 2017 22:41:05 GMT -5
"Chuck Berry sadly passed away over the weekend. He was one of rock 'n' roll's greatest poets. He will be missed but remembered by everyone who ever loved rock 'n' roll. "From the first minute we heard the great guitar intro to ‘Sweet Little Sixteen’ we became fans of the great Chuck Berry. His stories were more like poems than lyrics – the likes of ‘Johnny B Goode’ or ‘Maybellene’. To us he was a magician making music that was exotic yet normal at the same time. We learnt so many things from him which led us into a dream world of rock ‘n’ roll music. "Chuck was and is forever more one of rock ‘n’ roll’s greatest legends all over the world. I was privileged to meet him in his home town St Louis when I played there on tour and it’s a memory I will cherish forever. It’s not really possible to sum up what he meant to all us young guys growing up in Liverpool but I can give it a try. Long live rock ‘n’ roll!  Love you Chuck. Paul"
Ringo once again was nearly incoherent in his Twitter tributes:
"Just let me hear some of that rock 'n' roll music any old way you use it I am playing I'm talking about you. God bless Chuck Berry Chuck." and
"R I P. And peace and love Chuck Berry Mr. rock 'n' roll music."
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Post by sayne on Mar 20, 2017 23:25:59 GMT -5
Sadly the band John put together for this was pitiful, with Yoko screeching her crap while beating a stupid drum. The song was in too high a key so John was forced to sing it an octave lower under Chuck. You could tell Chuck was not pleased with the band. But the interview was great. John was like a little kid around Chuck that day. The youtube video of Julian Lennon and Chuck doing "Johnny Be Goode" above really rocks. John would have been proud of that one. Yeah, look at Chuck's face at the 2:00 minute mark when Yoko starts to sing. I don't think that was rehearsed in the sound check. John, pull down your guitar (he did for the second song).
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 21, 2017 19:45:18 GMT -5
We all know John was whipped but it blows my mind that even so, he didn't tell Yoko One to, "Shut the f_ck up" when playing with Chuck Berry!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 21, 2017 22:59:16 GMT -5
Great anecdote from Keith Richards on Chuck Berry, this what Rock and Roll is all about:
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 22, 2017 5:41:30 GMT -5
Here's a new song!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2017 8:46:38 GMT -5
We all know John was whipped but it blows my mind that even so, he didn't tell Yoko One to, "Shut the f_ck up" when playing with Chuck Berry!! No, we don't "all" "know" any such thing. Being "whipped" is when a wife controls you against your will and you're basically like a helpless victim. But with John, he wanted Yoko to be involved with everything they did - together. Good or bad, right or wrong ... John Lennon wanted Yoko to be a part of it all. I wouldn't be surprised if John had, in fact, been thrilled with Yoko croaking into the middle of his song with Chuck Berry. Personally, I agree it was terrible... but then again, I felt the whole performance from everyone on that stage was lackluster anyway. Now, what never ceases to amaze me is that I usually have to explain this to bona fide 'John Lennon Fans' many times - even fans with Lennon prominently revered in their board signatures and avatars! John said in the Playboy 1980 interview that he resented the charge that "he was under Yoko's control". You'd think that after something like 50 years, people would let it go. Lennon debunked it, and in the process he also use some salty language in saying how anyone who claims to be interested in him as an artist has absolutely misunderstood everything he's ever said if they can't see the whole Yoko dynamic for him:
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 22, 2017 9:49:18 GMT -5
I guess I use "whipped" a little differently than you Joe, I think of it when the spouse is so madly in love and voluntarily defers to the other spouse's whims and wishes even against his/her own better judgment, not emotionally or physically being controlled against his/her will in some twisted way.
I think of it more benignly although nonetheless it hampers one's sense of clarity, the thick lenses of love!
This was Chuck Berry, perhaps John's top Rock and Roll idol, and Yoko tries her best to ruin the song. All of our subjective praise for Yoko as a musical artist flies out the window on examples like this Chuck Berry jam. What 99.99% of the Western Music loving population thinks of Yoko musically suddenly becomes apparent to even Lenono fans!
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Post by mikev on Mar 22, 2017 11:51:52 GMT -5
I guess I use "whipped" a little differently than you Joe, I think of it when the spouse is so madly in love and voluntarily defers to the other spouse's whims and wishes even against his/her own better judgment, not emotionally or physically being controlled against his/her will in some twisted way. I think of it more benignly although nonetheless it hampers one's sense of clarity, the thick lenses of love! This was Chuck Berry, perhaps John's top Rock and Roll idol, and Yoko tries her best to ruin the song. All of our subjective praise for Yoko as a musical artist flies out the window on examples like this Chuck Berry jam. What 99.99% of the Western Music loving population thinks of Yoko musically suddenly becomes apparent to even Lenono fans! Maybe when Yoko is doing her B52 thing...sure she's a new wave "pioneer"... but the look on Chuck's face says it all. Just hit pause at that "magical" moment. I think he had the same look before he punched Keith Richards in the mouth.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2017 18:36:43 GMT -5
This was Chuck Berry, perhaps John's top Rock and Roll idol, and Yoko tries her best to ruin the song. All of our subjective praise for Yoko as a musical artist flies out the window on examples like this Chuck Berry jam. What 99.99% of the Western Music loving population thinks of Yoko musically suddenly becomes apparent to even Lenono fans! Once again, I'm sure John Lennon -- right or wrong, taste or no taste, blind or super-blinded -- probably liked Yoko trying to participate. I'm sure John just ate that up. As for Yoko "trying her best to ruin the song", she may very well have done that -- but I don't believe it was her "intent" at all to "ruin it". We know she always wanted to be a part of everything, and she even jammed with The Beatles. She's always been naïve as hell when it came to her 'art', but it's bizarre to think that she actually set out to sabotage the song. But whether Yoko had been present there or not, the band and both John and Chuck were pretty poor anyway.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 22, 2017 18:45:23 GMT -5
Maybe when Yoko is doing her B52 thing...sure she's a new wave "pioneer"... but the look on Chuck's face says it all. Just hit pause at that "magical" moment. . Chuck was definitely in shock. On the other hand, John Lennon looks just fine and was probably digging it.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 23, 2017 9:53:01 GMT -5
As to the performances, "Johnny B. Goode" is actually really good as to John and Chuck! Great microphone interplay and John even gets to do a guitar solo but his guitar isn't loud in the mix!
I agree that Elephants Memory sucks big time! And it looks like Yoko tries to ruin "Johnny B. Goode" but we hear nothing. You see her at least once with the microphone looking constipated and moving her mouth but thank the Lord we hear nothing!
"Memphis Tennessee" is kind of plodding and I agree with lowbasso's assessment above. But it is not from John and Chuck not trying! John is so in awe of CB, that entire video clip is great fun and historic!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 24, 2017 6:29:38 GMT -5
As to the performances, "Johnny B. Goode" is actually really good as to John and Chuck! Great microphone interplay and John even gets to do a guitar solo but his guitar isn't loud in the mix! So how's "Johnny B. Goode" considered "really good" if Elephant's Memory is all off, and John's guitar cannot be heard on the microphone? It's less miserable than "Memphis" was, but I'd only call it "pretty good" at best. So once again you defiantly ignore my valid point from the other post, and you say Yoko " tries to ruin" the song here, too. You may seriously try to re-think that. Sure, she unintentionally ruined "Memphis" - and she very well may also have inadvertently harmed "Johnny B. Goode" as well if her mic had been turned ON. However, Yoko just naively wanted to be part of her husband's band - and John wanted that, too. She was actually thinking she was "contributing" - not "trying to ruin". Hey, I think Yoko sucked in the Lennon/Berry performance. I think she was like a thorn in its side, and I would have loved it if she was not even up on that stage. I also think it was hilarious when someone turned off her microphone for the second song and she just stands there with her mouth open mutely. However, this is beside the point that Yoko was thinking she was part of the performance with her avant garde style "Yoko shrieking" schtick, and she likely did not intend any harm. And John was so into her routine that he likely loved it.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 24, 2017 8:04:48 GMT -5
As to the performances, "Johnny B. Goode" is actually really good as to John and Chuck! Great microphone interplay and John even gets to do a guitar solo but his guitar isn't loud in the mix! So how's "Johnny B. Goode" considered "really good" if Elephant's Memory is all off, and John's guitar cannot be heard on the microphone? It's less miserable than "Memphis" was, but I'd only call it "pretty good" at best. So once again you defiantly ignore my valid point from the other post, and you say Yoko " tries to ruin" the song here, too. You may seriously try to re-think that. Sure, she unintentionally ruined "Memphis" - and she very well may also have inadvertently harmed "Johnny B. Goode" as well if her mic had been turned ON. However, Yoko just naively wanted to be part of her husband's band - and John wanted that, too. She was actually thinking she was "contributing" - not "trying to ruin". Hey, I think Yoko sucked in the Lennon/Berry performance. I think she was like a thorn in its side, and I would have loved it if she was not even up on that stage. I also think it was hilarious when someone turned off her microphone for the second song and she just stands there with her mouth open mutely. However, this is beside the point that Yoko was thinking she was part of the performance with her avant garde style "Yoko shrieking" schtick, and she likely did not intend any harm. And John was so into her routine that he likely loved it. I would point out I don't ever recall Yoko looking pleased, happy, or excited whenever John was making music with a band live. Not in this moment with Chuck, certainly not when the rooftop concert occurred in 1969, where she looked grumpy and miserable sitting off to the side, in the Imagine movie when they were recording the album at Tittenhurst. It was not until Double Fantasy studio footage that I ever recall her even smiling in the studio while John was playing. So I always wondered if she ever enjoyed watching John perform. I always came away thinking she was not happy when John was looking like he was having a good time making music with whatever band was backing him, but particularly The Beatles.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 24, 2017 10:30:22 GMT -5
Valid observation lowbasso! And it happened up until the very end as it has been said that Yoko fired the Cheap Trip band members who participated in the Double Fantasy sessions which lead to the smoking hot "I'm Losing You" which is so much more alive and rocking than the official version.
Cheap Trick was red-hot in 1980 and Yoko was said to resent John enjoying recording with competent and famous Rockers! They even spiced up at least one of her songs from that of the highly competent but more sterile studio musicians John and Yoko ultimately relied on.
Joe, I was going to concede your point that Yoko did not INTEND to ruin "Memphis Tenn" with her loud screaching but lowbasso's point makes me think maybe this was sabotage on her part: alienate all who play with John(i.e. Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa, Chuck Berry) so they would not want to play music with him again!
George Harrison was too clever and knew the score so he asked Yoko to enjoy "The Concert For Bangladesh" from the front row which does prove your point that John didn't mind no matter Yoko's true motivations because he backed out of playing in support of Yoko! But he was whipped as I originally said and a good husband supports his wife in thick and thin!
What I will never concede is regardless of whether Yoko acted intentionally or unintentionally, she in fact ruined "Memphis Tenn" with her noise!
And my friend Joe, I conceded that the EM Band sucked even on Johnny B. Goode but that doesn't change the spirited vocal of Chuck and John with John vamping at the mic like a man who was genuinely happy for the first time in his life to be singing that song with his idol!
And I can still hear his guitar solo even if down in the mix! It is "Pure Lennon!" Not Eric or Jimi but has that stamp of John Lennon greatness!
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Post by markc on Mar 24, 2017 11:56:31 GMT -5
Although each Beatle has performed a Carl Perkins song on official releases, is the same true of Chuck? Right now I can only think of John and George. I you include solo there is Paul's Brown Eyed Handsome Man.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 25, 2017 6:02:19 GMT -5
I would point out I don't ever recall Yoko looking pleased, happy, or excited whenever John was making music with a band live. Not in this moment with Chuck, certainly not when the rooftop concert occurred in 1969, where she looked grumpy and miserable sitting off to the side, in the Imagine movie when they were recording the album at Tittenhurst. It was not until Double Fantasy studio footage that I ever recall her even smiling in the studio while John was playing. So I always wondered if she ever enjoyed watching John perform. I always came away thinking she was not happy when John was looking like he was having a good time making music with whatever band was backing him, but particularly The Beatles. I think that's typical Yoko-bashing reaching. Yoko seldom - if ever - looked "happy". That was always yet another criticism leveled at her, remember? She always looked "serious", or "stern", or "hard". Whether she was watching The Beatles perform, whether she was watching John perform, whether she was involved and performing herself, whether she was making her own recordings. She always had this stoic, miserable, natural non-expression. And how much of that Double Fantasy studio footage is out there? Please let us see it, because nobody else has it.
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