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Post by heysaboda on Jul 23, 2013 16:51:39 GMT -5
Sunday in my car I finally played the re-mastered 2010 Mind Games. Interesting album. Certainly better than STINYC and the sonics here are light years better than the original MG compact disc of the late 1980's. I think I still like the re-mixed and re-mastered version from 2002 better(I hear cool things going on that get jumbled in John's original mix) but this is how John heard it and wanted us to hear it. Whatever MG's weaknesses, it has the title song "Mind Games" one of my all time favorite solo Beatles' songs. There are really cool, adventurous, noble sounding things going on in the song: 1. Pushing the barriers planting seeds 2. Chanting the Mantra peace on earth 3. Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil 4. Some call it magic the search for the grail 5. Faith in the future out of the now 6. Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind 7. Projecting our images in space and in time 8. Doing the ritual dance in the sun 9. Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel 10. Raising the spirit of peace and love. "Tight A$" rocked hard and "Aisumasen (I'm Sorry)" sounded very good. A great start, John batting three for three. But then "One Day (At a Time)" which blows in falsetto. I actually like the version(maybe Lennon Anthology) where John sings in his normal voice. Wow, how did he blow that decision by using the falsetto version?? "Bring on the Lucie (Freeda Peeple)" is a strong ending (Nutopian International Anthem is so passe by 1973!), John singing in powerful voice. "Intuition" could be a very good song but the arrangement is so cheesy, so lounge lizard. Somehow John needs to POB it, make it sound like it is from that album. John could have toughened the backing without taking away from the optimism, hey, hey, hey, hey, alright! "Out the Blue" is better but it has some lazy lyrics "I thank the lord and lady" and perhaps could have used McCartney's touch for some of it. "Only People" blows, again, a cheesy arrangement. And the lyrics are so bi-polar, campfire "Kumbaya' then all of a sudden, "we don't need no pig brother scene." Wow, did John really think he had an anthem on this one. I think it hilarious this was used in a corporate commercial sans "we don't need no pig brother scene." "I Know (I Know)" is my second favorite next to the title song. I am sure this is aimed at Paul and not Yoko. Can I prove it, no just my gut sense. A very beautiful song that clearly John spent some time on recording. "You Are Here" is beautiful and works despite those female vocals in it! "Meat City" rocks, I like it more now than I did as a kid. I like the "Well I'm going to China, to see for myself" line. Mind Games was a very good listen in the car loud. The only absolute stinker is "Only People." "One Day At A Time" would be cool if John sung it normal and not like some Elton John wannabe(EJ of course covered this song). "Intuition" could have been awesome if John did a good backing for it and not that lounge lizard arrangement. Rock it up with electric guitars or a real piano like "Remember" from POB. The organ and/or electric keyboards just suck big time on that song. Still, a nice effort and Mind Games deserves a better fate than accorded it. John needed Keith Richards or another rocker(since Paul wasn't available or asked) to help him toughen up the sound then it'd be a masterpiece! I agree that overall Mind Games is a nice listen, and a nice CAR ALBUM, but there are some TRULY awful cringe inducing moments. One is when John manages to rhyme "knife" and "wife" in Out of Blue. Get out the barf bag GEEZ This is the same guy who wrote Strawberry Fields??
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 26, 2013 11:11:42 GMT -5
Next up for me is John's 1974 Walls & Bridges. As I have been doing, I will play the 2010 remastered version restoring John's original mix although I think I will also play the 2005 partially remixed and fully remastered version, the one with the altered cover. I am not very familiar with the sonics on that 2005 re-issue.
I played vinyl W & B nonstop from 1976 through 1980 impatiently waiting for new Lennon music! I do want to approach the music as how it effects me today, 2013, and not approach it as a historical piece of Pop Music in strict context of 1974. Does the music speak to me today, does it entertain me today or provide emotional comfort to me as to where I am at today in my life.
BTW, there was a Japanese CD version of W & B that completely restores the album artwork including the layered cover but in CD format. It is cool to have. I don't know what version the music actually is, i.e., is it the original mix, the 2005 partial remix and fully remastered or is it the 2010 remastered version. It is just nice to have that in one's hand and remember the playful album artwork!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 27, 2013 12:59:50 GMT -5
I agree that overall Mind Games is a nice listen, and a nice CAR ALBUM, but there are some TRULY awful cringe inducing moments. One is when John manages to rhyme "knife" and "wife" in Out of Blue. Get out the barf bag GEEZ This is the same guy who wrote Strawberry Fields?? No question that Mind Games is not a POB or Imagine and I too noted the "lazy" lyrics in "Out The Blue" but I know a lot of McCartney leaning fans who find this their favorite John solo album, this or Walls & Bridges. And after I re-read the psychological warfare against John by the U.S. Government in its efforts to deport him, I am surprised and pleased John could make music at all. Kick in problems with his marriage and John had his hands full. The immigration fight John went through and the stress and agony it caused him is all but forgotten now.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 27, 2013 13:11:11 GMT -5
I agree that overall Mind Games is a nice listen, and a nice CAR ALBUM, but there are some TRULY awful cringe inducing moments. One is when John manages to rhyme "knife" and "wife" in Out of Blue. Get out the barf bag GEEZ This is the same guy who wrote Strawberry Fields?? I sure don't see it as you do. I really like the song OUT THE BLUE, and I have never felt a direct rhyme of "knife" and "wife". It may seem that way when reading this in text, but as it plays in the song, the words are far enough apart that they don't even rhyme or bounce off each other: "All my life has been a long, slow knife. I was born just to get to you. Anyway, I survived-- --long enough to make you my wife." Beautiful sentiment, IMO. When sung, it does not really rhyme together.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 27, 2013 13:33:41 GMT -5
I agree with heys, Strawberry Fields is a classic, lyrically. "Always, no sometimes, think it's me." Excellent! Has anyone ever changed their mind in mid-verse? Has it been done in poetry, much less a pop song?
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 27, 2013 15:31:06 GMT -5
I agree with heys, Strawberry Fields is a classic, lyrically. "Always, no sometimes, think it's me." Excellent! Has anyone ever changed their mind in mid-verse? Has it been done in poetry, much less a pop song? "That is, I think I disagree . . ." Yeah, I always loved how John seemed like he was just talking off the top of his head with the lyrics.
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 26, 2013 9:14:31 GMT -5
I start by saying I had to become an adult, and a middle-aged one at that, to appreciate at least two solo Beatles albums. One was Wings Wild Life and I think it simply took me that long to get around to playing and listening to it properly. That took The JSD Wings Wild Life Challenge where I took the c.d. out on the road and played it loud on sunny, warm days with the windows down. Had I tried this at 18, I may have discovered it way back then. Better late than never.
The second was George's Living In The Material World which I could not get into at all at 18 when I first heard it no matter how hard I tried; and I played it more than WWL back then. Life was too fast, too exciting and I didn't want to be preached at. I had to be knocked down by life a couple times, be older, be wearier and in need of spiritual guidance of some sort to really "get" and appreciate this album. That came shortly after George's death. I had to be over 40 to appreciate that album.
I liked Walls and Bridges when I first heard it in 1976. I was only 13 or 14 then but I played it a lot between 1976 and 1980 when John was all but retired. It was the last new, original music from John and I clung to it like a security blanket.
Yet there were parts of it I didn't fully appreciate and I certainly did not like it as much as POB or Imagine which I had also purchased in that wonderful year of 1976 when I was all out discovering The Beatles' albums and many of the solo albums.
Like Dylan's Blood On The Tracks, W & B was John's breakup album as much of it deals with his separation from Yoko and his fear of getting old and frankly the feeling of being unfulfilled.
Recently I have been playing both the 2005 re-issue with the altered cover as that was re-mastered and all songs but "Old Dirt Road", "Bless You", "Scared" and "Nobody Loves You" were re-mixed and the 2010 re-mastered version
I have had a real epiphany but it wasn't at all a bummer but just a very powerful experience from start to finish. Some rough thoughts:
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"Going Down on Love": a great start, I love the beginning with the, "Got to get down, down on my knees" build-up like a prayer and then it kicks into gear. In the past it seemed a little sparse on lyrics but Sunday night every line sung by John counted and connected with me. A great start. 2."Whatever Gets You thru the Night": This was a major epiphany as I actually now enjoy it even though I always felt Elton's harmony vocal drowns out John's. This was jaunty, vibrant and upbeat. I have never been so into that song as I was the other night. 3."Old Dirt Road" (Lennon, Harry Nilsson): Simply beautiful; in my daily dog walks this song is in my head and I sing it out-loud as one of my routes takes me down a scenic, lonely dirt road! A cool metaphor. 4."What You Got": A loud rocker by John that can't hide his pain. Another I find singing to myself to every day. 5."Bless You": Another epiphany as this is one that always made me restless until Sunday night. I suddenly loved the jazzy flair and the lyrics are real, again I relate finally! 6."Scared": Always a favorite, this seemed even more frantic and desperate and echoes my sentiments over this past year. Well sung by John. Side two
7."#9 Dream": Another favorite this may be as close as solo John ever got to sounding like Beatle John. How powerful when John proclaims, "I believe, yes I believe," after all of his "I don't believe's" from POB's "God." Very moving, 8."Surprise, Surprise (Sweet Bird of Paradox)": This one is just plain underrated great! John may have missed Yoko but he was still a man who enjoyed the carnal delights of young May Pang. The song is sexy, rocks nicely and the "Drive My Car" parody at the end is awesomely playful by John! He dismissed it in 1980 but what else could he do? John dismisses a lot of his great songs. This song is well sung too. 9."Steel and Glass": A great song. Powerfully sung by John in strong voice. I believe it is about Klein but the lines, "Your phone don't ring, no one answers your calls, how does it feel to be of the wall," has been my recent life too often so it struck a powerful chord Sunday. 10."Beef Jerky": This instrumental is great and I love the "Cold Turkey-like" guitar riff which is pretty heavy. This gets so much airplay at odds times on television like when going to commercial breaks on NFL games! The best instrumental by a Beatle since "Cry For A Shadow!" 11."Nobody Loves You (When You're Down and Out)": this was always my W & B's Magnum opus and in fact is among my very favorite solo Beatles songs of all time. I always thought "Watching The Wheels" picked up where "Nobody" left off. Classic solo Lennon and the rap against "Nobody" has always been that John feels sorry for himself but it perfectly expressed where he was at then! A great recording and song. 12."Ya Ya": Fun but I absolutely love John's voice on this. Even though abbreviated, John leaves it all out on the recording studio floor!
Just recently I have heard and got all of W & B for really the first time ever. The sonics are good on both the 2005 and 2010 versions and for once I loved the album for what John was telling us during it and how he was telling it and not because it was John's last studio album of new material before a five year hiatus and as a 14 year old budding fan of the Beatles and John Lennon I was expected to love it!
I feel so excited as if I have found something new even though I thought I knew that album since 1976! And as a friend pointed out, John followed through with his pain expressed on W & B by not blowing his second chance with Yoko and in fact having baby Sean and going into his happy househusband years.
Walls And Bridges is that forgotten Lennon classic album but I now place it right up there with POB and Imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 6:46:27 GMT -5
Walls and Bridges is my favourite John album.
It is only forgotten by those that had John low down in their favourite ex Beatles list and didn't listen properly to John's catalogue
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 2, 2013 2:38:17 GMT -5
Walls and Bridges is my favourite John album. It is only forgotten by those that had John low down in their favourite ex Beatles list and didn't listen properly to John's catalogue I can admit that for years I have turned my back to Walls And Bridges even though John was #1 on my list. The pain of John's murder made it hard for me to face his solo music because of the tragic ending. I am back into John's solo music with a passion surpassing anything I had at 18 when John was still alive and it was a happy story. In the car today I played loud that double disc comp Working Class Hero and my God is that fantastic. Song after song kicks ass in great sonics. Aside from the Unfinished Music stuff, John's solo music career was amazing. John did a lot of great music in a very short time and with the U.S. Government breathing down his neck and with marital problems for most of 1973 and 1974. John's solo music is not the trainwreck Macca Mad Hatters make it out to be to thus weaken John's legacy!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 2, 2013 6:21:07 GMT -5
John's solo music is not the trainwreck Macca Mad Hatters make it out to be to thus weaken John's legacy! I was thinking about this the other day. Actually, John had the better solo career in the first 5 years after the breakup. I realize that today people have come to recognize the albums McCARTNEY and RAM as works of art from Paul, but at the time of their release the feeling was that McCartney was under-achieving and had not yet found his footing. If we just go from 1970 to 1975 (when John retired), both John and Paul each released 6 albums. If you go by the actual feelings on these records during the time they were released, John got off to a much better start than Paul did, and his albums were initially considered better works than Paul's overall: John PLASTIC ONO BAND (Great) IMAGINE (Great) SOMETIME IN NYC (Weak) MIND GAMES (Average) WALLS AND BRIDGES (Good) ROCK AND ROLL (Average) Paul McCARTNEY (Weak) RAM (Weak in 1971 -- Great Today) WILD LIFE (Weak) RED ROSE SPEEDWAY (Weak) BAND ON THE RUN (Great) VENUS AND MARS (Good) Please know that I personally LOVE Paul's RAM album (it may be my favorite of all his albums!!), and I also enjoy WILD LIFE. But I am just going by the general vibe that was felt by fans and the public for the early Paul albums upon their initial releases. (Sorry about your JSD POSTULATE, John ) ... I am sure there will be disagreements with my rankings above, but what I am basically getting at is either that John had better records than Paul did in 1970-1975, or at the very least, both his work and Paul's work were ABOUT EQUAL. John was not in the running between 1976 and 1979 because John did not have any new albums out until 1980, and if we just go by 1980's DOUBLE FANTASY and McCARTNEY II, John also takes the lead as far as having a better record than Paul, going by 1980. In conclusion: it may SEEM that John had a lesser solo career than Paul did, but if we just compare their records which both men released when each solo Beatle had albums out on the market at the same time together, John is certainly EQUAL TO, if not A LITTLE AHEAD of Paul.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 2, 2013 8:12:21 GMT -5
PLASTIC ONO BAND Hadn't hear of it at the time. It didn't get any radio play, it didn't have any singles that got played. (Weak) McCARTNEY was all over the radio. It didn't have any singles but at least four songs got regular play. (Great)
IMAGINE Imagine was great. I Don't Want to be a Soldier stunk up side one. How Do You Sleep stunk up side two. The lyrics were fun but the music just droned along. I'd give it a (Good+). RAM I loved Uncle Albert. I couldn't believe it was a Paul. There was more songs to be excited about hearing. The album used to get a radio spotlight on a public radio show where they played it in it's entirety. It goes downhill from Long Haired Lady on. (Good+)
SOMETIME IN NYC I hadn't heard of it at the time. I saw the One On One concert on TV. Yoko's songs were kind of fun. (Weak) WINGS WILD LIFE I Loved it. I was about the right age for the kiddy songs Bip Bop, I Am Your Singer...etc. It had some weak spots too, but at least it was fun. (Good+)
MIND GAMES I loved the title track. It got a lot of radio play. Tight A$ was good. You had to flip the album to get to another good track. Intuition, god awful. Out of the Blue was better but still weird. Only People was hipper, it'd been through the trip. The final three songs save the album but not raising it above (Weak). RED ROSE SPEEDWAY Hit single got a lot of radio play. A lot of people like Big Bard Bed. It was too weird for me. It was expecting it to rock like the albums before it. It didn't. This was more a disappointment than a bad album. I heard this, then Mind Game. I was done with solo Beatles. (Weak)
WALLS AND BRIDGES I didn't hear the album at the time. It got a lot of radio play. I should have got it. But I was spending lawn mowing money. I was maybe afraid of being let down. This is my favorite Lennon album so I'm going to cheat and give it a (Great). BAND ON THE RUN Live and Let Die, Helen Wheels, Paul was rockin' again. I was ready for this album. I was back to playing albums for people again. (Great)
ROCK AND ROLL My goodness. Except for Stand by Me, this album sucked. Sound, song selection, delivery, I hated it. (Weak-) VENUS AND MARS This wasn't as good as Band on the Run, but it was the same territory, a great overall rock feel to it. (Great)
I may be wrong but I felt like everyone around me felt the same way about these albums. I didn't read Rolling Stone.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 2, 2013 12:41:18 GMT -5
In conclusion: it may SEEM that John had a lesser solo career than Paul did, but if we just compare their records which both men released when each solo Beatle had albums out on the market at the same time together, John is certainly EQUAL TO, if not A LITTLE AHEAD of Paul. I like your rankings Joe although I would give W&B a GREAT; MG a GOOD+; and RnR a GOOD especially the 2004 remixed or even the 2010 remastered(I agree any earlier version is average or less because the sound was so poor). And I love your last statement I cited above. I am not saying John was better than Paul in that same solo period but I get so angry now when John's solo career gets thrown under the bus by people who are not properly listening to it or never have at all! Much of that is because John is gone so many just view him as some pie in the sky figure and ignore his solo albums and focus on maybe three or four songs. But there is also a more sinister thing going on why many people now don't think John held his own against Paul solo-wise: they are being programmed into thinking that by certain major players in the fractured Beatles camp. Add that John is not here to either defend himself or to better yet keep making great new music and John's legacy is an easy mark.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 2, 2013 14:08:44 GMT -5
In conclusion: it may SEEM that John had a lesser solo career than Paul did, but if we just compare their records which both men released when each solo Beatle had albums out on the market at the same time together, John is certainly EQUAL TO, if not A LITTLE AHEAD of Paul. I like your rankings Joe although I would give W&B a GREAT; MG a GOOD+; and RnR a GOOD especially the 2004 remixed or even the 2010 remastered(I agree any earlier version is average or less because the sound was so poor). And I love your last statement I cited above. I am not saying John was better than Paul in that same solo period but I get so angry now when John's solo career gets thrown under the bus by people who are not properly listening to it or never have at all! Much of that is because John is gone so many just view him as some pie in the sky figure and ignore his solo albums and focus on maybe three or four songs. But there is also a more sinister thing going on why many people now don't think John held his own against Paul solo-wise: they are being programmed into thinking that by certain major players in the fractured Beatles camp. Add that John is not here to either defend himself or to better yet keep making great new music and John's legacy is an easy mark. I personally was responding to Joe's statement and going by what I felt at the time: "If you go by the actual feelings on these records during the time they were released, John got off to a much better start than Paul did, and his albums were initially considered better works than Paul's overall:" That's why I say I cheated with Walls and Bridges and rated it great. I hadn't heard it at the time it came out. If we count the re-mixes, John's output gets a whole lot better grade from me.
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Post by acebackwords on Sept 4, 2013 21:33:20 GMT -5
The last Lennon album i bought was Shaved Fish in 1975 and i was happy to stop right there.
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Post by acebackwords on Sept 4, 2013 21:40:06 GMT -5
I'd be happy to add a copy of Two Virgins to my collection. I had a chance to get a copy for 10 bucks back in 1980 but i didnt have 10 bucks at the time. I havent seen a copy since. Im still kicking myself for that one.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 8, 2013 5:27:10 GMT -5
It is only forgotten by those that had John low down in their favourite ex Beatles list and didn't listen properly to John's catalogue Foolish me, not realising that I wasn't listening properly. But my school never did lessons on how to listen properly to Walls And Bridges.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 7:58:15 GMT -5
It is only forgotten by those that had John low down in their favourite ex Beatles list and didn't listen properly to John's catalogue Foolish me, not realising that I wasn't listening properly. But my school never did lessons on how to listen properly to Walls And Bridges. Bit late now to be worried about your school days.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 8, 2013 11:23:36 GMT -5
Foolish me, not realising that I wasn't listening properly. But my school never did lessons on how to listen properly to Walls And Bridges. Bit late now to be worried about your school days. LOL, our beloved vectis walked five miles one way to school and his chore each morning was to light the coal burning stove in the one-room school house. The Master always stood watching with his switch in hand!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 4:00:20 GMT -5
Bit late now to be worried about your school days. LOL, our beloved vectis walked five miles one way to school and his chore each morning was to light the coal burning stove in the one-room school house. The Master always stood watching with his switch in hand!
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 10, 2013 8:27:58 GMT -5
When I were a lad...
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 10, 2013 11:23:09 GMT -5
Well hello vectisfabber. I was just thinking about you. You have not posted for awhile so I imagined in that mind of mine that you had taken a long trip, very far away.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 10, 2013 21:54:58 GMT -5
I am still traversing the highways of this vast world of ours. I shall return home this very weekend and shall re-enter the fray full-time next week. I expect to be a touch in need of restorative treatment initially. Fortunately I have been blessed with convivial company so far.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 10, 2013 21:56:21 GMT -5
I do hope you have not been excessively concerned as to my welfare!
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Post by Panther on Sept 17, 2013 5:27:14 GMT -5
Please do try it. You will see a bunch of different and interesting tests. I intend to take the others some day. Click the race one. If one wants to dismiss it afterwards, fine. But, I think if one really thinks of themselves as an open-minded person willing to change ones mind when given certain pieces of information, then one will give it a fair shot. Sayne, I appreciated your posts so I tried this test -- the 'race' one. First of all, I'm not a citizen of the USA. The terms of it -- entirely USA-centric -- are a bit alien to me since I rarely see "African Americans" and only recently have begun interacting again with "European Americans" (in my new job). For most of the past 14 years I've lived as a minority among East Asians. The final-section questions about "liberal" or "conservative" don't really apply either, as Americans seem to understand those words differently from the rest of the world. But anyway... As I started the second part of the speed-test (clicking left or right), I immediately perceived that the test was going to evaluate me based on how fast I comparatively clicked the correct answers. So, this invalidated my result right there... nevertheless, the test concluded that I have "strong preference for European Americans", which is bogus. It is quite likely, however, that my response to unfamiliar stimuli (e.g., strict associations of "black" with "good" and "white" with "bad") is delayed, not due my personal preferences, but due to the standards presented by my society. In other words, I don't think this is a test of individuals, but of societal values. This is what I think: the test-creators know that the vast majority of people who will take the test are educated and white (like me). They then intentionally leave the more familiar stimuli (i.e., "white" with "good") to the second part of the test, hoping that people will do this part faster. In my opinion, my faster response in the 2nd-half is more to do with my mind settling on how to distinguish the four stimuli (i.e., becoming familiar with the format of the test) than with my "preferring" one to another. In short, I personally think this test highly invalid.
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Post by sayne on Sept 17, 2013 21:43:19 GMT -5
.. . the test concluded that I have "strong preference for European Americans", which is bogus. In short, I personally think this test highly invalid. Many people end up concluding what you have when confronted with the idea that they DO have subconscious implicit biases. Note, this test does not mean to claim that one is racist. It merely evidences that one has or does not have preconceived notions about people. We have preconceived notions about a lot of things. If one has been told over and over and over again that Mexican food is very spicy, or you have had Mexican food all your life and it was spicy, you would tend to have a preconceived notion of the spiciness of a Mexican dish in front of you that you have never had before, although it could, in fact be quite bland compared to other Mexican food. If you had a very familiar understanding of the work of Pablo Picasso and someone was going to show you a piece that you had never seen or heard about, you might have a notion of what the work would look like, although it could, to the contrary, be very uncharacteristically representational compared to his other work. It's the same with people. We have notions of people, based on experience or societal norms, that will cause us to make judgements about people we have never met. That's what profiling is all about. Most of us do not let these pre-judgements get in the way of becoming friends with all people, but those pre-judgements are there. I do not know you, but I am confident to state that I don't believe you are bigoted, racist, or intolerant at all, when it comes to ethnic groups. But, I am equally confident that you most likely do have a favorable preference for European-Americans. Don't sweat it. This is not a value judgement on you.
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Post by acebackwords on Sept 18, 2013 2:44:55 GMT -5
Ya know, if I'm about to jump into a river I have a preconcieved notion that I am going to get wet. I guess some people need to take a test to figure that out.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 18, 2013 3:12:45 GMT -5
Not quite the same. Your parallel is a matter of physical facts, not moral values. Not that I disagree with you.
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Post by Panther on Sept 18, 2013 6:00:02 GMT -5
Many people end up concluding what you have when confronted with the idea that they DO have subconscious implicit biases. Note, this test does not mean to claim that one is racist. It merely evidences that one has or does not have preconceived notions about people. I understand what you're saying, and yes no doubt I have countless unconscious biases. I like the idea of this 'test', and I find the concept of it highly worthwhile. But what I'm having an issue with is not the idea of the test or (necessarily) my particular result, but rather the way the test is structured. If I were confident that the order of the two sets of variables was randomized, I could at least accept the overall results of the test. But my guess is that the order is not randomized, and that -- as in my case, taking it -- the "good" with "white" and "bad" with "black" is always going to come 2nd in order of the two variables. The problem I have with this is that I think it is skewing the results towards making the 2nd-set of variables more "preferred". I actually think each time I do this type of test, I am going to hit the correct buttons faster, and I think this skews the results. I simply can't conclude that because I answered the 1st-set 1.1 seconds faster than the second set that I have a bias. I think this is highly bogus test making, interesting as it is. (Of course, I DO have biases, but that's another matter entirely which I think this test isn't addressing.)
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Post by acebackwords on Sept 18, 2013 6:22:56 GMT -5
Not quite the same. Your parallel is a matter of physical facts, not moral values. Not that I disagree with you. Well, if its a raging current I'm about to jump into Ill probably have the preconceived notion that the results are going to be "bad," If its a placid stream that the results are going to be "good." Our subconscious moral values are probably formed in the same way.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 28, 2013 12:56:08 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that the Live Peace in Toronto CD release from 2007 is billed as Live in Toronto on Amazon.com? What, does someone think "Live Peace" sounds dated?
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