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Post by lowbasso on Apr 11, 2017 10:40:07 GMT -5
I am probably one of the larger collectors of Beatle Bootlegs out there. Since the early 1990's I amassed about 60 different CD's of illegal bootlegs. I probably spent in excess of $1500 buying these. I did it in an effort to try and be "in the studio" with the band to learn how their genius (and George Martin's) created such great music. What I discovered is most of the "outakes" were simply just the band rehearsing and trying to figure out how a song should go. Discussions among the band and George over the structure of the particular song or lyrics rarely got recorded in these outakes. But that was what I was looking for. Like John & Paul discussing their ideas amongst themselves over what they wanted. Or George M. offering his ideas to what he heard. Not a lot of that got put down on tape and released. The talks BETWEEN the takes is what would have been really fascinating and illuminating! So I have hundreds of false starts, vocal or lyrical mistakes, or just mediocre takes of what would become classics when finally polished on the albums. Once in a great while you would hear a gem outake where you hear a really good idea that never made it onto the release, but you can count on two hands those moments. For all that money and disks, most of it is just rough rehearsals. The result is most of the bootlegs just collect dust on my shelf and hardly got more than one or two listens. I hope that is not what all the Sgt. Pepper outakes coming on the deluxe set turn out to be.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 11, 2017 17:21:03 GMT -5
The reason I don't buy every bootleg I see is that there is a lot of duplication. Official releases should eliminate that.
I've always justified buying the bootlegs by saying I have all the official releases. I am not cheating the Beatles by buying fake product. I've always said, if it were released officially, I'd buy it again. (So if the Beatles released The Complete Misery Takes, I'd be obligated to get it!)
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 11, 2017 17:33:06 GMT -5
I just bought a four disc Sinatra set called Ultimate Sinatra. It's the same size as Pure McCartney. A nice little package. " Mixing & Audio Restoration by Larry Walsh..." Close enough! Bingo, debjorgo. Just proof that it all comes out, and other artists get special sets - so why not The Beatles. I would think Beatles for Sale would get more buzz than Flowers in the Dirt.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 11, 2017 17:46:50 GMT -5
I am probably one of the larger collectors of Beatle Bootlegs out there. Since the early 1990's I amassed about 60 different CD's of illegal bootlegs. I probably spent in excess of $1500 buying these. I did it in an effort to try and be "in the studio" with the band to learn how their genius (and George Martin's) created such great music. What I discovered is most of the "outakes" were simply just the band rehearsing and trying to figure out how a song should go. So I have hundreds of false starts, vocal or lyrical mistakes, or just mediocre takes of what would become classics when finally polished on the albums. Once in a great while you would hear a gem outake where you hear a really good idea that never made it onto the release, but you can count on two hands those moments. For all that money and disks, most of it is just rough rehearsals. Same here - I have bought all the bootlegs, I have a huge collection too, etc.. But so what if they eventually released these "rough rehearsals" too? We diehard bootleg collectors have only heard a very tiny bit of what's in the vaults. All we've heard so far are what has leaked out over the decades, but there's lots more we've never heard. Maybe there ARE some real gem takes in there... maybe there IS even talking between the Beatles and Martin somewhere that got recorded to work out arrangements and things. Some stuff unearthed for ANTHOLOGY that was not previously available to bootleggers was pretty impressive. Even if every recording of every moment of session tape can never realistically see the light of day, I think it could still be fun for Apple and Co. to choose the "better takes and rehearsals," and make some appreciable volumes of "The Best Of The Recording Sessions", so to speak.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 12, 2017 2:49:43 GMT -5
I am probably one of the larger collectors of Beatle Bootlegs out there. Since the early 1990's I amassed about 60 different CD's of illegal bootlegs. I probably spent in excess of $1500 buying these. I did it in an effort to try and be "in the studio" with the band to learn how their genius (and George Martin's) created such great music. What I discovered is most of the "outakes" were simply just the band rehearsing and trying to figure out how a song should go. Discussions among the band and George over the structure of the particular song or lyrics rarely got recorded in these outakes. But that was what I was looking for. Like John & Paul discussing their ideas amongst themselves over what they wanted. Or George M. offering his ideas to what he heard. Not a lot of that got put down on tape and released. The talks BETWEEN the takes is what would have been really fascinating and illuminating! So I have hundreds of false starts, vocal or lyrical mistakes, or just mediocre takes of what would become classics when finally polished on the albums. Once in a great while you would hear a gem outake where you hear a really good idea that never made it onto the release, but you can count on two hands those moments. For all that money and disks, most of it is just rough rehearsals. The result is most of the bootlegs just collect dust on my shelf and hardly got more than one or two listens. I hope that is not what all the Sgt. Pepper outakes coming on the deluxe set turn out to be. Just heard the new Youtube ad from Apple on the new Sgt. Pepper package. Steve posted the link on his Facebook page. The bits of remixes posted sound incredible. The descriptions of the outakes seems to indicate some lively discussions by the band as well as some unusual early versions. They got me. I ordered the deluxe version on Amazon. The price has fallen to US$133.00 now with tax included and free shipping on Amazon...
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 12, 2017 8:52:05 GMT -5
Oh good! I pre-ordered it last week but with amazon's "Price Guarantee" meaning I will be billed the lowest price it is ever listed at even if it goes up at some point.
The video lowbasso posted shows in the upper right corner filmed interviews by first Paul(with George Martin), Ringo then George. What is tragic of course is that John is never well represented in these remembrances having been brutally murdered before he could sit down and address specific Beatles questions like Paul, George and Ringo were for the making of Anthology and some Pepper projects dating back to 1987.
I am not blaming Apple or the other three for this flaw as only one scum is responsible for that but yet it is a fact: John Lennon is only represented in these remembrances by scratchy audio only interviews or grainy off-the-cuff remarks on television appearances filmed 1975 and earlier.
For Anthology, Paul, George and Ringo graciously agreed to talk and be filmed while talking Beatles and only Beatles and I would imagine they had pre-knowledge of what would be asked and could be thus prepared as much as they would be bothered to be prepared.
John went in depth on Beatles in the RS, Cream and Playboy interviews but those are audio only on scratchy tapes and on television appearances like Mike Douglas and Tom Snyder, John was there to really plug his newest album and would get hit with Beatles questions thus his replies are off-the-cuff yet always articulate and interesting yet The Beatles was not John's main focus at the time as The Beatles were for Paul. George and Ringo in the Anthology filmed interviews and even the various Pepper filmed interviews of the three as far back as 1987 and subsequently.
Again, that's not Paul, George or Ringo's fault but it necessarily means that John is not nearly as well represented in these discussions and seems like some long, lost figure(which maybe he is because of the scum killer). John's contributions thus get diminished.
There does need to be a better balance and better perspective about John to make up for his nearly 37 year absence because he obviously was a major, major player in this story of Pepper and other Beatles lore.
In Ron Howard's film, for instance, as good as it was I still felt John and now George were not well represented at all.
Paul wrote the opening notes to the 2009 Pepper re-mastered CD and I read that he is doing it again now. In the 2009 notes, Paul essentially takes most of the credit for Pepper(it was certainly his original idea but all four contributed greatly in the making of the album) and simply referred to the other three Beatles as "the boys." That bothered me and I will probably be bothered by Paul's 2017 opening liner notes as perhaps he won't even refer to "the boys" this time but rather speak of "I, me, mine."
The music should do all the talking in this 50th anniversary box and frankly I do not give a damn what Paul and Ringo may say about it in 2017 because they come with agendas or bad memories. But in this music itself we hear each and every Beatle pursuant to his actual contribution and thus it is apparent that it was not just John's album, or Paul's album, or George's album but it was a Beatles' album.
We do not get that from revisionist 2017 remembrances from surviving members.
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Post by markc on Apr 13, 2017 11:16:02 GMT -5
RIP Brian Matthew, BBC host who can be heard on the BBC albums.
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Post by stavros on Apr 15, 2017 16:02:48 GMT -5
Rolling Stone feature a new interview with Giles Martin regarding the new 'Pepper' release. A lot to whet our appetites with.
Let's hope a splendid time is guaranteed for all!
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 15, 2017 19:53:34 GMT -5
My excitement level on this release just tripled. And it was pretty high already.
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Post by markc on Apr 18, 2017 8:01:09 GMT -5
What is the music playing during the Pepper promo video after the Rolling Stone article?
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 18, 2017 9:20:52 GMT -5
What is the music playing during the Pepper promo video after the Rolling Stone article? Good question. I hadn't clicked on the link to Rolling Stone. stavros posted most of the article above. Not bad music. Is it the Beatles? I wonder.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 23, 2017 13:13:03 GMT -5
I see the Sgt. Pepper Box is down to $117.99 on amazon.com! When I pre-ordered it was $149.98.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 23, 2017 18:20:25 GMT -5
I see the Sgt. Pepper Box is down to $117.99 on amazon.com! When I pre-ordered it was $149.98. And Amazon said since you also said you like the Stones as well online, you will pay the original $149.98 price. Only pure Beatlefans get it at the lower price....🤣
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 23, 2017 22:30:19 GMT -5
I see the Sgt. Pepper Box is down to $117.99 on amazon.com! When I pre-ordered it was $149.98. And Amazon said since you also said you like the Stones as well online, you will pay the original $149.98 price. Only pure Beatlefans get it at the lower price....🤣 WTF, no I get the guaranteed lowest price because....oh you are just messing with me!
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 24, 2017 1:17:13 GMT -5
And Amazon said since you also said you like the Stones as well online, you will pay the original $149.98 price. Only pure Beatlefans get it at the lower price....🤣 WTF, no I get the guaranteed lowest price because....oh you are just messing with me! 😎
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Post by nine on Apr 25, 2017 8:56:22 GMT -5
In Ron Howard's film, for instance, as good as it was I still felt John and now George were not well represented at all. Totally concur with that. Pepper though was Paul's baby. I'd love to see A Hard Day's Night offered the same treatment, where it is all about John because John was skipper in command on that watch.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 25, 2017 10:56:17 GMT -5
In Ron Howard's film, for instance, as good as it was I still felt John and now George were not well represented at all. Totally concur with that. Pepper though was Paul's baby. I'd love to see A Hard Day's Night offered the same treatment, where it is all about John because John was skipper in command on that watch. I think the Anthology (book) says all there is to say about the band's years of existence. By all four individuals. Obviously once someone dies, there is nothing more they can add to the story. And everything John ever said about the band is pretty much there to read. George as well. Truth be told, there is nothing more Paul or Ringo can now add to those years that has not already been said. The anthology book does really balance eveything and everyone out evenly. The mere fact that Paul and Ringo are still with us allows them to appear to get more coverage about any new Beatle project like the Howard film or new remixed anniversary albums. But The Beatles legend is still about all four of them and the facts of who did what is all there to read about in anthology if you really want to know the story. And the music always gives us what each member contributed. That can never be altered. So John and George are still as valid as the other two living Beatles when it comes to who did what in the music, which is what is most important to the legacy, not who said what about anything around the peripherals of the music.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 25, 2017 11:06:47 GMT -5
The only thing I hope can be added to the legacy is that a new song that the Threetles recorded back in the 90's with a contribution by John is lying somewhere on a shelf waiting to be released after the last Beatle checks out. Leaving the band one more moment to do something different and first once more like they were known for in their heydays of existing and producing material. What a way to finally go out still on top one last time! Here's to hoping they pull something like this off! And there are some Stones still around to see it happen!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! 😁
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 27, 2017 16:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 28, 2017 0:49:45 GMT -5
That outtake has never appeared on a bootleg to my knowledge. Looks like some interesting takes coming out of the vaults for the first time.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 28, 2017 8:33:15 GMT -5
That does sound cool!
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Post by stavros on Apr 28, 2017 16:19:27 GMT -5
In other news the BBC have confirmed they will release a number of radio and TV 'specials' to celebrate Pepper's 50th anniversary.
People here in Britain have mixed opinions of the BBC. But this is mainly focused on why we have to pay a license fee for ad-free TV channels, radio channels and online catch up services. But when it comes to TV and radio music documentaries they are usually of the highest quality. My expectations from past productions is that the Beatles Pepper TV special will reach the same high standards.
So I hope you guys outside the UK will get a chance to see the documentary and hear the radio shows.
Things really are building up for that 2nd Summer of Love!
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 29, 2017 9:58:51 GMT -5
In other news the BBC have confirmed they will release a number of radio and TV 'specials' to celebrate Pepper's 50th anniversary. People here in Britain have mixed opinions of the BBC. But this is mainly focused on why we have to pay a license fee for ad-free TV channels, radio channels and online catch up services. But when it comes to TV and radio music documentaries they are usually of the highest quality. My expectations from past productions is that the Beatles Pepper TV special will reach the same high standards. So I hope you guys outside the UK will get a chance to see the documentary and hear the radio shows. Things really are building up for that 2nd Summer of Love! It would be nice if BBC America would air the shows or give PBS the rights to air them in North America.
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Post by debjorgo on May 1, 2017 21:30:48 GMT -5
I thought someone here had mentioned that the Pepper Remix release was on iTunes. I can't seem to find where it was mentioned. But yeah, the album's now on the rotating banner. There are four tunes for preview and immediate purchase on iTunes, Sgt Pepper, both the remix and the take 9 track heard on Steve's site beatlesheadlines.blogspot.com/2017/04/sgt-pepper-deluxe-pre-order-comes-with.html and With a Little Help From My Friends, the remix and the instrumental. With a Little Help sounds great. Love the bass. I'm already getting the Box and the two disc set. I'm not going for the iTunes tracks (even though I could have them now). (Pardon my bad American grammar here. I think I've corrected everything now.)
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Post by debjorgo on May 2, 2017 21:27:29 GMT -5
I just realized that most of the fourth disc is just the mono Sgt Pepper that I already have. Oh well.
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Post by joeyself on May 8, 2017 17:40:27 GMT -5
Saw a picture over the weekend of Allan Kozinn holding a vinyl and CD set. He is writing a review of it, so he hasn't posted any more than the photo.
That single picture beats those mundane "hey, watch me open this box" videos. A trend I thought would have died years ago, I still see them pop up on YouTube. Easy enough to ignore, but what's the point? If you care, you'll open your own; if you don't care, well, you don't care...
JcS
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Post by lowbasso on May 8, 2017 19:29:07 GMT -5
Saw a picture over the weekend of Allan Kozinn holding a vinyl and CD set. He is writing a review of it, so he hasn't posted any more than the photo. That single picture beats those mundane "hey, watch me open this box" videos. A trend I thought would have died years ago, I still see them pop up on YouTube. Easy enough to ignore, but what's the point? If you care, you'll open your own; if you don't care, well, you don't care... JcS If you see his review please let us know.
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Post by joeyself on May 10, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -5
Saw a picture over the weekend of Allan Kozinn holding a vinyl and CD set. He is writing a review of it, so he hasn't posted any more than the photo. That single picture beats those mundane "hey, watch me open this box" videos. A trend I thought would have died years ago, I still see them pop up on YouTube. Easy enough to ignore, but what's the point? If you care, you'll open your own; if you don't care, well, you don't care... JcS If you see his review please let us know. Will do. Allan said he thought the review would run on May 26th--but I didn't ask which publication. He normally links what he writes on his Facebook page. JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on May 10, 2017 13:03:03 GMT -5
Saw a picture over the weekend of Allan Kozinn holding a vinyl and CD set. He is writing a review of it, so he hasn't posted any more than the photo. That single picture beats those mundane "hey, watch me open this box" videos. A trend I thought would have died years ago, I still see them pop up on YouTube. Easy enough to ignore, but what's the point? If you care, you'll open your own; if you don't care, well, you don't care... JcS I think those videos are only for the makers to show-off and brag because usually they are posting those videos before the official release.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 10, 2017 15:08:51 GMT -5
Saw a picture over the weekend of Allan Kozinn holding a vinyl and CD set. He is writing a review of it, so he hasn't posted any more than the photo. That single picture beats those mundane "hey, watch me open this box" videos. A trend I thought would have died years ago, I still see them pop up on YouTube. Easy enough to ignore, but what's the point? If you care, you'll open your own; if you don't care, well, you don't care... JcS I think those videos are only for the makers to show-off and brag because usually they are posting those videos before the official release. I'm looking forward to making my own "hey, watch me open this box" video. Thousands of viewers often seem interested enough to view them and get happy seeing what they're all about. And discussing it together in the comments section. Anyone who doesn't care does not have to watch them, and instead can complain about them here.
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